re: pre abortion ultrasounds?

Black Barbie wrote:

PS: Raven, we're in Debate and Discuss -- posts made to threads in here usually do get picked apart like it's surgery!

Yeah I didn't word that exactly right. I know that this is the debate forum...hence why I won't go into detail my personal life back then because I'd rather not share that stuff and have it picked apart...LOL

starla wrote:

ravensroost wrote:

DawnRenee wrote:

Black Barbie wrote:

DawnRenee wrote:


Dayum Girl! You're on top of it tonight!! Are we related?! Sheesh! Great minds think alike, I always say. ;) Another great answer and a total mirror reflection of what mine would have been! Yay!  

LOL. UH, YEAH, we're related.. you don't remember me from the family reunion? I'm offended.

I do I do!! We were the ones at the table still scarfing down food after everyone else was already done! ;)


Raven, I really need to ask you this, Now please don't get offend because I'm really just trying to understand.
Your posts drip with saddness (which is completely undertsandable), but it also drips with resentment to women who wouldn't want to be forced to have an U/S before they abort their pregnancy. Yes, You know how you felt and feel now about the decision that you've made, but it seems like you're questioning their choices even when the situation isn't always the same. Sometimes adoption isn't always the right answer, or going ahead and having the baby when you know you have a dire situation. Yes, You're sad about having an abortion when you were 17, but it was YOUR choice to, for Whatever reasons you had at the time and you now know you'd never do it again and regret it deeply. I get it. But what I don't get is how you can question over and over about other womens choices, Because you've been there before!


Geesh, I don't even know if I made any sense. I had a late night.  

I am not questioning their choices. I am questioning HOW they come to that choice.

I know quite a few ladies (personally and those I've "met" online) who feel the same way I do about the decisions they made about their abortions. I am not saying abortions should be illegal, but I don't know that they should be legal either.

Also, I won't delve into my personal life when I was 17..but my situation was a lot different than what's been mentioned here. I've already seen how some posters on this thread are trying to pick apart every post made.

How they come to the decision to have an abortion I believe is no ones business, just like when you go grocery shopping and you pick Skippy peanut butter over Jiffy. I dont care what peanut butter you eat or buy and I certainly dont care how you came to that decision.

You're misunderstanding me. It goes back to what Flamingomom said (I believe it was her and if I am wrong, then correct me who it was) about educating women so they can make informed choices. That's what I mean by "I question how" because I still don't think there is enough education on abortion. So when many women come to the decision, they are flying blind, so to speak...as I pretty much was 19 years ago.

ravensroost wrote:

starla wrote:

ravensroost wrote:

DawnRenee wrote:

Black Barbie wrote:

DawnRenee wrote:


Dayum Girl! You're on top of it tonight!! Are we related?! Sheesh! Great minds think alike, I always say. ;) Another great answer and a total mirror reflection of what mine would have been! Yay!  

LOL. UH, YEAH, we're related.. you don't remember me from the family reunion? I'm offended.

I do I do!! We were the ones at the table still scarfing down food after everyone else was already done! ;)


Raven, I really need to ask you this, Now please don't get offend because I'm really just trying to understand.
Your posts drip with saddness (which is completely undertsandable), but it also drips with resentment to women who wouldn't want to be forced to have an U/S before they abort their pregnancy. Yes, You know how you felt and feel now about the decision that you've made, but it seems like you're questioning their choices even when the situation isn't always the same. Sometimes adoption isn't always the right answer, or going ahead and having the baby when you know you have a dire situation. Yes, You're sad about having an abortion when you were 17, but it was YOUR choice to, for Whatever reasons you had at the time and you now know you'd never do it again and regret it deeply. I get it. But what I don't get is how you can question over and over about other womens choices, Because you've been there before!


Geesh, I don't even know if I made any sense. I had a late night.  

I am not questioning their choices. I am questioning HOW they come to that choice.

I know quite a few ladies (personally and those I've "met" online) who feel the same way I do about the decisions they made about their abortions. I am not saying abortions should be illegal, but I don't know that they should be legal either.

Also, I won't delve into my personal life when I was 17..but my situation was a lot different than what's been mentioned here. I've already seen how some posters on this thread are trying to pick apart every post made.

How they come to the decision to have an abortion I believe is no ones business, just like when you go grocery shopping and you pick Skippy peanut butter over Jiffy. I dont care what peanut butter you eat or buy and I certainly dont care how you came to that decision.

You're misunderstanding me. It goes back to what Flamingomom said (I believe it was her and if I am wrong, then correct me who it was) about educating women so they can make informed choices. That's what I mean by "I question how" because I still don't think there is enough education on abortion. So when many women come to the decision, they are flying blind, so to speak...as I pretty much was 19 years ago.

Ok I get what your saying. I was under the impression it was how you wanted to know why they make the choice to have an abortion....my bad

ravensroost wrote:

Black Barbie wrote:

PS: Raven, we're in Debate and Discuss -- posts made to threads in here usually do get picked apart like it's surgery!

Yeah I didn't word that exactly right. I know that this is the debate forum...hence why I won't go into detail my personal life back then because I'd rather not share that stuff and have it picked apart...LOL

No, trust me, I definitely understand! lol.

ravensroost wrote:

starla wrote:

ravensroost wrote:

DawnRenee wrote:

Black Barbie wrote:

DawnRenee wrote:


Dayum Girl! You're on top of it tonight!! Are we related?! Sheesh! Great minds think alike, I always say. ;) Another great answer and a total mirror reflection of what mine would have been! Yay!  

LOL. UH, YEAH, we're related.. you don't remember me from the family reunion? I'm offended.

I do I do!! We were the ones at the table still scarfing down food after everyone else was already done! ;)


Raven, I really need to ask you this, Now please don't get offend because I'm really just trying to understand.
Your posts drip with saddness (which is completely undertsandable), but it also drips with resentment to women who wouldn't want to be forced to have an U/S before they abort their pregnancy. Yes, You know how you felt and feel now about the decision that you've made, but it seems like you're questioning their choices even when the situation isn't always the same. Sometimes adoption isn't always the right answer, or going ahead and having the baby when you know you have a dire situation. Yes, You're sad about having an abortion when you were 17, but it was YOUR choice to, for Whatever reasons you had at the time and you now know you'd never do it again and regret it deeply. I get it. But what I don't get is how you can question over and over about other womens choices, Because you've been there before!


Geesh, I don't even know if I made any sense. I had a late night.  

I am not questioning their choices. I am questioning HOW they come to that choice.

I know quite a few ladies (personally and those I've "met" online) who feel the same way I do about the decisions they made about their abortions. I am not saying abortions should be illegal, but I don't know that they should be legal either.

Also, I won't delve into my personal life when I was 17..but my situation was a lot different than what's been mentioned here. I've already seen how some posters on this thread are trying to pick apart every post made.

How they come to the decision to have an abortion I believe is no ones business, just like when you go grocery shopping and you pick Skippy peanut butter over Jiffy. I dont care what peanut butter you eat or buy and I certainly dont care how you came to that decision.

You're misunderstanding me. It goes back to what Flamingomom said (I believe it was her and if I am wrong, then correct me who it was) about educating women so they can make informed choices. That's what I mean by "I question how" because I still don't think there is enough education on abortion. So when many women come to the decision, they are flying blind, so to speak...as I pretty much was 19 years ago.

o0o!!!! I see what ya mean now! O yes, I totally agree, woman NEED to be educated about abortion before making a decision, Most Def! I've never had to go through one and don't know exactly how it goes, but it would be really nice for a counsler to come in and talk with you about it all. Yanno, give you all the information you need to make an educated and from the heart decision, Not push you as to why you should or shouldn't do it because of THEIR personal beliefs, yanno? Geesh, Okay I'm speaking out of my behind cuz I have NO clue what the procedure is, then and now. Sorry. LOL But yah, I get'cha know, Raven!  

Hi All, I get what some of you are saying but i don't think anything should be forced on anybody. I have had an abortion and had the ultrasound, my mom was in the room and i told her to make sure i didn't see the monitor, and when it all happened the ultrasound technician didn't even let me mom see. I get that alot of you are against abortions, but don't act like it was a decision that I didn't take seriously. I don't regret my decision but don't tell me that i didn't hurt!!
So no seeing the ultrsound should not be forced, optional maybe, I knew how far along my baby was and didn't need to see it, it is emotional enough without seeing it.
Thanks

No one should be forced to see an u/s. That's playing off emotion of the mother. Do you pro-lifers think abortion would be an easy decision? For some, possibly. Everyone I know that has had an abortion where over the age of 18, married or in a long-term, commited relationship. My friend cries a lot over her decision. I drove her to the clinic and waited for her. I bought her flowers afterwards and told her it would be okay. I knew it wouldn't. Her decision eats her alive and I'm still there for her.

The ones who do have emotions about the decision do not need another reason to feel guilty. Their self-abuse is punishment enough.

I'd rather a child be invited openly into this world than to have resentment placed on it, for whatever reasons. Quality of life trumps just having a life any day.

i dont eve think you could force a woman to look at her ultrasound. But..a lot of women are uneducated about abortion, they think they are getting off scott free without any repercussions! Then they develope some sort of depression about it...
so..I think its important to provide some sort of education before an ultrasound, then offer it so they can see the developement and how far along they are. Then they should offer counseling as well.

Quoting Pr0nkBeth:“ No one should be forced to see an u/s. That's playing off emotion of the mother. Do you pro-lifers think ... [snip!] ... into this world than to have resentment placed on it, for whatever reasons. Quality of life trumps just having a life any day.”

Thank you.... you read my mind and put it into words perfectly

Quoting Jen Lynn:“ I don't think anyone should be "forced" to look at it. But I think it should be offered. Many women ... [snip!] ... be offered. Many women would possibly change their minds after seeing the ultrasound and seeing a heartbeat. But forced, no.”

agreed

I think its an awesome idea it should have been done a long time ago. Im not sure about the forcing part because im not even sure how you "force" someone to look at something. I hope this passes though obviously they are going to have to tweak the forcing part a bit.

It should be required. Should a woman be forced to watch it? No.

For a friend of mine, she had an ultrasound done, she saw the fetus, and she still aborted. And didn't seen to feel the least bit down about it. Still doesn't.
I'm not even staunchly pro-life and I think that any woman who can look at the fetus on that screen and still abort is cold.
If in the case of rape and incest, or if the mother's life is in danger, and she has to abort, no she shouldn't be forced to look at the ultrasound.

 

holy goodness at how old this thread is! Its making me sad to read through it.