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To be charged as adults or not???

posted 20th Nov
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/20/florida.burned.boy/index.html

Fort Lauderdale, Florida (CNN) -- A Florida teenager attacked and set on fire last month, allegedly by five teenage friends, was undergoing skin graft surgery Friday, the first procedure in his recovery, a hospital spokeswoman said.
Michael Brewer, who suffered burns over 65 percent of his body, will have his own skin transplanted onto the burned areas of his back and buttocks, said Lorraine Nelson, a spokeswoman at the University of Miami's Jackson Memorial Hospital Burn Center.
Brewer will return to the intensive care unit after the surgery. He has been heavily sedated since the October 12 incident and on a ventilator until last week to keep him alive.
He is listed in guarded condition.
On Thursday, three teens accused of setting Brewer on fire pleaded not guilty to charges of attempted murder, a public defender for one of the boys said.
Each of the three -- Denver Jarvis and Matthew Bent, both 15, and Jesus Mendez, 16 -- is charged as an adult with one count of attempted murder in the second degree in the attack in Deerfield Beach, Florida.
They were arraigned in Broward County Circuit Court before Judge Dale Cohen, and are being held without bond.
Prosecutors say the three boys were in a gang that poured alcohol over Brewer, then set him ablaze in a dispute over $40, a video game and a bicycle.
Gordon Weekes, Bent's attorney, denounced the fact that the teens were charged as adults.

"It's been decided by society that a 15-year-old can't vote, can't join the armed forces and cannot buy alcohol, because society has recognized that children do not have the ability to appreciate the long-term consequences of their actions," he said.
"But they can treat them as adults in court, when we have very capable remedies for them in the juvenile justice system, which is geared towards rehabilitation," Weekes added.
The attorney said he and the other two public defenders plan to make separate motions to the court asking that their clients be allowed to post bond.
Detectives say eyewitnesses told them that Mendez used a lighter to set fire to Brewer after Jarvis allegedly poured alcohol over him. They said Bent allegedly encouraged the attack.
Authorities say that Mendez admitted setting Brewer on fire, and that he made a "bad decision," according to an arrest transcript.
Two other boys who were allegedly involved -- a 13-year-old and a 15-year-old -- have been charged as juveniles.
Witnesses say Brewer jumped into the swimming pool at his apartment complex to put out the flames.
Detectives with the Broward County Sheriff's Office have been unable to interview Brewer.
"We hope that we can maybe get a statement this week," sheriff's spokesman Jim Leljedal said. "Detectives have been waiting for him to recover to the point where he's strong enough to give us a complete statement."



They still have to perform several operations on him for skin grafting, but his parents are with him all the time.
--Lorraine Nelson, University of Miami Jackson Memorial Hospital Burn Center spokeswoman

Doctors say Brewer is improving but his condition is tenuous because of the severity of his burns and the possibility of infections. Most of his burns are on his back and buttocks; his face and hands were largely spared, doctors say.
Brewer's doctor told CNN the teen faces several more months in the hospital, and will need multiple skin grafts and surgeries.
"They still have to perform several operations on him for skin grafting, but his parents are with him all the time," Nelson said.
"I don't tell him what happened," Brewer's mother, Valerie, told CNN affiliate WFOR-TV. "I just tell him he's in the hospital and he's safe and he's getting better.
"And he'll say, 'Am I going to be OK?' And I say 'Yes, Michael. You're going to be fine. You're going to be just fine,' " she said.
Investigators believe Brewer owed Bent $40 for a video game. When Brewer did not pay, police say, Bent stole Brewer's father's bicycle. Brewer reported him to police and Bent was arrested, police say.
The next day, the group surrounded Brewer. According to witnesses, the five boys called Brewer "a snitch" and set him on fire.
The Brewer family told WFOR that none of the families of the accused boys have tried to contact them, but that it doesn't matter.
"We can't focus on it. They'll get theirs is all we can say. I don't focus on it," Brewer's father, also named Michael, told WFOR.
If convicted, each of the three teen suspects could face up to 30 years in prison.
A court-appointed psychologist who has examined two of the five boys allegedly involved in the attack told CNN they are competent to take part in legal proceedings and assist their attorney.
"I can describe both of them as being afraid, being fearful," said Michael Brannon, a forensic psychologist, without identifying the boys. "I can describe both of them as being tearful at various times during the interview, especially when talking about the specific incident which led to the injuries of the victim."
Psychologists are often brought into cases involving teenagers and young adults to judge their mental capabilities to determine their competency to proceed. They must determine whether the alleged attackers understand the charges against them, the court proceedings and potential sentences.
Psychologists also must evaluate whether the defendants can talk about what happened and communicate effectively with defense attorneys.
"I don't think they expected to have happened, what happened," Brannon said. "It's a horrible event that occurred, but this was not their conceptualization, in my opinion, of what was going to happen."

Do you agree with the kids being charged as adults? Also, what is your thinking behind your stand on this?
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I have 1 child & live in California
posted 20th Nov
yes...im sorry but if they had the mind to do such a thing than yes they should be charged as adults
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I have 2 kids & 1 angel baby & live in Hialeah, Florida
posted 20th Nov
Adult crime, juvenile or not, should be charged as adults, they KNEW exactly what they were doing.

I can't remember the girls name offhand, but the 15 yr old that murdered that 9 yr old, she is being charged as an adult too.
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I have 2 kids & 1 angel baby & live in Toronto, Ontario
posted 20th Nov
Yes, they should. They knew what they were doing.
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I have 1 child & live in Grapevine, Texas
posted 20th Nov
Quoting Mom to Hayden #34734985:“ Yes, they should. They knew what they were doing.”
Yes, I agree. I just don't understand how some people think they shouldn't be charged as adults. I mean at 15 I knew what fire did.
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I have 1 child & live in California
posted 20th Nov
I think they should be charged as adults, if they do a crime so horrifying then they should get a harsher punishment!.if they were to have set his fathers bike on fire then that would be a totally different story...but they did something that has ruined another human beings life, this boy will suffer with his scars for the rest of his life....
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I have 1 child & live in Hawaii
posted 20th Nov
Quoting Mommy of 2 Beautiful kids:“ yes...im sorry but if they had the mind to do such a thing than yes they should be charged as adults”

I'm there with you on this oine. If they can think and do such horrible things then YES take your ass to jail like an adult. That is just sick that kids can do such things over 40 bucks and a game ugghhh
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I have 2 kids & live in California
posted 20th Nov
Just like the other mommies have said thusfar, I believe the three should indeed be charged as adults. The lady who said "Adult crime, juvenile or not, should be charged as adults, they KNEW exactly what they were doing." put it perfectly.
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I'm due April 24th (a girl), have 1 child & live in Texas
posted 20th Nov
Quoting [[Mommy to Gracie]]:“ Just like the other mommies have said thusfar, I believe the three should indeed be charged as adults. ... [snip!] ... who said "Adult crime, juvenile or not, should be charged as adults, they KNEW exactly what they were doing." put it perfectly.”

i can't belive they laughed while they were setting him on fire and after!
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I have 1 child & live in California
posted 20th Nov
Each child should be evaluated by a team of psychologists and decisions on which court to try them in should be done on a case by case basis.
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I have 1 child & live in Fort Wayne, Indiana
posted 20th Nov
I dont think so... They are at the age where they have alot going on... Trying to fit in and finding a place of belonging can sometimes lead young teens to do things they normally wouldnt do. Yeah I think they should spend some time in Juvy or something but to be charged at an adult might just be a bit too much.
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I'm due April 29th & live in Pomona, California
posted 20th Nov
I dunno... to me the fact that they would something so horrific over a bicycle and $40 video game just shows how immature they are. Of course they know it's wrong.... but it's like they are too young to really realize how stupid they are ... they are just living up to some image they think makes them grown ass men and that just shows how juvenile they are.

BUT ... what they have done is horrrrrrrible and they should definatley face the consequences of what they have done.... they should not be let off easy. You don't just beat and set someone on fire and get a slap on the wrist.
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I have 1 child & live in Tacoma, Washington
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