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Non-CIO Support Thread!!!

posted 10th Nov '09
Disclaimer: I don't care if other people use CIO or not, this is for people who are already anti-CIO and just need some affirmation.   This is a support thread, not a D&D.

If you need help, read the OP and then skip the first 6 pages or so (drama, unfortunately). Or just jump in at the end of the thread, we'd love to help you!

In case you didn't know, CIO stands for cry-it-out. There are various different methods of doing it but they all involve crying and training your baby to sleep. Non-CIO is just the opposite.   It's harder, yes. But very rewarding and empowering.

Alas I have made it nearly a year without using the CIO method.
On nights like I had a couple days ago I am always tempted...I had to walk my son to sleep 4 separate times, rock him twice and drive him twice.
*sigh*
Here are some interesting reads if you're interested.  


10 Reasons CIO is not for us: http://www.phdinparenting.com/2008/07/05/no-cry-it-out/


1.Cry it out can cause harmful changes to babies’ brains

2.Cry it out can result in decreased intellectual, emotional and social development

3. Cry it out can result in a detached baby

4.Cry it out is harmful to the parent-child relationship

5. Cry it out can make children insecure

6.Cry it outoften doesn’t work at all

7. Even ifcry it outdoes “work”, parents often have to do it over and over again

8.Cry it outis disrespectful of my child’s needs

9. Deep sleep fromcry it outis often a result of trauma

10. Our World Needs More Love


Harvard study proves against CIO: http://www.sleepnet.com/infant3/messages/534.html


America's "let them cry" attitude toward children may lead to more fears and
tears among adults, according to two Harvard Medical School researchers.
Instead of letting infants cry, American parents should keep their babies
close, console them when they cry, and bring them to bed with
them, where they'll feel safe, according to Michael Commons and Patrice
Miller, researchers at the Medical School's Department of Psychiatry.
The pair examined child-rearing practices here and in other cultures and say
the widespread American practice of putting babies in separate beds - even
separate rooms - and not responding to their cries may lead to more
incidents of post-traumatic stress and panic disorders among American
adults.
The early stress due to separation causes changes in infant brains that
makes future adults more susceptible to stress in their lives, say Commons
and Miller.
"Parents should recognize that having their babies cry unnecessarily harms
the baby permanently," Commons said. "It changes the nervous system so
they're sensitive to future trauma."
Their work is unique because it takes a cross-disciplinary approach,
examining brain function, emotional learning in infants, and cultural
differences, according to Charles R. Figley, director of the Traumatology
Institute at Florida State University and editor of The Journal of
Traumatology.
"It is very unusual but extremely important to find this kind of
interdisciplinary and multidisciplinary research report," Figley said. "It
accounts for cross-cultural differences in children's emotional response and
their ability to cope with stress, including traumatic stress."
___________
"Parents should recognize that having their babies cry unnecessarily harms
the baby permanently. It changes the nervous system so they're sensitive to
future trauma."
- Dr. Michael Commons, Dept of Psychiatry, Harvard
___________
Figley said their work illuminates a route of further study and could have
implications for everything from parents' efforts to intellectually
stimulate infants to painful practices such as circumcision. Commons has
been a lecturer and research associate at the Medical School's Department of
Psychiatry since 1987 and is a member of the Department's Program in
Psychiatry and the Law.
Miller has been a research associate at Harvard Medical School's Program in
Psychiatry and the Law since 1994 and an assistant professor of psychology
at Salem State College since 1993. She received master's and doctorate
degrees in education from Harvard's Graduate School of Education.

The pair say that American child-rearing practices are influenced by fears
that children will grow up dependent. But parents are on the wrong track.
Physical contact and reassurance will make children more secure when they
finally head out on their own and make them better able to form their own
adult relationships.
"We've stressed independence so much that it's having some very negative
side effects," Miller said.
The two gained the spotlight in February when they presented their ideas at
the American Association for the Advancement of Science's annual meeting in
Philadelphia.
In a paper presented at the meeting, Commons and Miller contrasted American
child-rearing practices with those of other cultures, particularly the Gusii
tribe of Kenya. Gusii mothers sleep with their babies and respond rapidly
when the baby cries.
"Gusii mothers watching videotapes of U.S. mothers were upset by how long it
took these mothers to respond to infant crying," Commons and Miller said in
their paper on the subject.
The way we are brought up colors our entire society, Commons and Miller say.
Americans in general don't like to be touched and pride themselves on
independence to the point of isolation, even when undergoing a difficult or
stressful time.
Despite the conventional wisdom that babies should learn to be alone, Miller
said she believes many parents "cheat," keeping the baby in the room with
them, at least initially. In addition, once the child can crawl around, she
believes many find their way into their parents' room on their own.
American parents shouldn't worry about this behavior or be afraid to baby
their babies, Commons and Miller said. Parents should feel free to sleep
with their infant children, to keep their toddlers nearby, perhaps on a
mattress in the same room, and to comfort a baby when it cries.
"There are ways to grow up and be independent without putting babies through
this trauma," Commons said. "My advice is to keep the kids secure so they
can grow up and take some risks."
Besides fears of dependence, other factors have helped form our childrearing
practices, including fears that children would interfere with sex if they
shared their parents' room and doctors' concerns that a baby would be
injured by a parent rolling on it if it shared their bed, the pair said. The
nation's growing wealth has helped the trend toward separation by giving
families the means to buy larger homes with separate rooms for children.
The result, Commons and Miller said, is a nation that doesn't like caring
for its own children, a violent nation marked by loose, nonphysical
relationships.
"I think there's a real resistance in this culture to caring for children,
"Commons said. "Punishment and abandonment has never been a good way to get
warm, caring, independent people."
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I have 3 kids & live in Killeen, Texas
posted 10th Nov '09
Rachel is having a rough time lately. She's wanted to be attached to the boob all night at night time. I've been having to do alot of walking around with her in the middle of the night. I can't wait til I can regain my sanity! lol
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I have 4 kids & live in Glen Burnie, Maryland
posted 10th Nov '09
Quoting Barfy McVomitron:“ Rachel is having a rough time lately. She's wanted to be attached to the boob all night at night time. ... [snip!] ... I've been having to do alot of walking around with her in the middle of the night. I can't wait til I can regain my sanity! lol”

Dude, I know. It gets rough sometimes. I know I've questioned my anti-CIO beliefs before. But these links help remind me of what I already know.   It'll be ok!!
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I have 3 kids & live in Killeen, Texas
posted 10th Nov '09
Thanks for this, I need this thread!
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I have 2 kids & live in Kingman, Arizona
posted 10th Nov '09
Don't need affirmation, seeing my child's red tear streaked face was enough to convince me it wasn't the right way to go about naps and bedtime.

thank goodness she has learned to self sooth  
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I live in Pennsylvania
posted 10th Nov '09
Thanks for posting this. I think more people need this information.
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I have 1 child & live in ?
posted 10th Nov '09
Quoting Punk Rock Princess {EBFB}:“ Dude, I know. It gets rough sometimes. I know I've questioned my anti-CIO beliefs before. But these links help remind me of what I already know.   It'll be ok!!”

yea, I keep reminding myself that it wont last forever, but man. It sucks in the meantime.
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I have 4 kids & live in Glen Burnie, Maryland
posted 10th Nov '09
Quoting "The Boob" [HM] [EBFB]:“ Thanks for this, I need this thread!”

No problem, I know how hard it can be.  
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I have 3 kids & live in Killeen, Texas
posted 10th Nov '09
It took us awhile but I can say not CIO paid off finally! Aside from the obvious immediate benefits of comforting my son by 14 months he now sleeps through the night again and he successfully transitioned from cosleeping.
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I have 2 kids & live in Arizona
posted 10th Nov '09
Quoting Jacey*Lyn:“ Thanks for posting this. I think more people need this information.”

 
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I have 3 kids & live in Killeen, Texas
posted 10th Nov '09
Quoting KJzinger {30+}:“ Don't need affirmation, seeing my child's red tear streaked face was enough to convince me it wasn't the right way to go about naps and bedtime. thank goodness she has learned to self sooth  

Glad to hear it.   The way I see it, he won't need help going to sleep in his college dorms. Right?
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I have 3 kids & live in Killeen, Texas
posted 10th Nov '09
Quoting Barfy McVomitron:“ yea, I keep reminding myself that it wont last forever, but man. It sucks in the meantime.”

I know, the other night I had to actually get up and rock him to sleep like 4 times. I was tired, but I felt great as a parent. You know, after I drank some caffiene.  
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I have 3 kids & live in Killeen, Texas
posted 10th Nov '09
Thank you for this. I can't say I havent tried CIO. I did a few times, but its not for us. I cant take listening to her hurt.
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I'm due May 25th, have 1 child & live in Calais, Maine
posted 10th Nov '09
Quoting kaciesue:“ Thank you for this. I can't say I havent tried CIO. I did a few times, but its not for us. I cant take listening to her hurt.”

Me neither, I can't even bear to listen to him cry from being mad.

This thread was inspired by this one: http://forum.baby-gaga.com/about866522.html

She let her 9 month old cry until he threw up.   I didn't have the heart to say anything to her because I can't fathom a mom who thinks that's ok. So I made this thread to make me feel better. I'm glad to see I'm not alone.  
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I have 3 kids & live in Killeen, Texas
posted 10th Nov '09
I give props to all the moms that are strong enough to not use the CIO method. I personally use it only in a limited basis. When I do use it, it is when I know she needs nothing else...such as she has a clean diaper, she has her sippy, she's had her cuddle with mommy/daddy time, shes not hungry or in need of anything. It is times like that when I use it cause I need five minutes to recoup myself. I always always check on her every five minutes and make sure she doesn't need any of the above and I always reassure her that I am near and at times I will sit in the rocking chair by her bed and just hold her hand till she calms or falls asleep and 95% of the time when she wakes in the middle of the night I pick her up and change her and put her in bed with my dh and I. And I know she is not suffering in any way because she is an extremely happy and extremely energetic child. Always running around laughing, playing, talking and just being a fun loving child.
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I'm due January 21st, have 3 kids & 2 angel babies & live in Gillette, Wyoming
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