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OPK as HPT?

posted 5th Aug '09

Good Evening Girls!

Ok so im pretty much SUPER broke right now.. to the point where i cant even go buy a HPT at the dollar tree, and my blood work hasn"t came back yet from my doctor.
APPARENTLY from the online ovulation predicter and OPK im "ovulating" starting today through the 5th?

as you can see im pretty sure the OPK is positive and im ovulating right now.
but my question is.. could i use this as a pregnancy test.. being that my doc thinks im going through an ectopic pregnancy?!

idk if im OVULATING or IM PREGNANT.

can you ovulate if your pregnant?

thanks in advance.. IM SOOOO CONFUSED.. like always lol 
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I have 1 child & live in Smyrna, Tennessee
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posted 5th Aug '09
Quoting Rainbow Mommy*:“ Good Evening Girls! Ok so im pretty much SUPER broke right now.. to the point where i cant even ... [snip!] ... OVULATING or IM PREGNANT. can you ovulate if your pregnant? thanks in advance.. IM SOOOO CONFUSED.. like always lol 
I'm going to guess you will be ovulating in the next 12-24 hours.
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I'm due August 22nd (a girl), have 2 kids & live in Forks, Washington
posted 5th Aug '09

NO, you don't ovulate if you are pregnant. You can't come up w/ $1 for an hpt at the dollar store? Can someone you loan the money?

If you don't even know where you are in your cycle, then this isn't going to be of much help to you but here you go:

OPK's as HPT's:
using an ovulation test to confirm pregnancy


Overall-- yes, it can be done. Ovulation predictor tests (known as OPK's because they are normally sold in a set of tests known as a "kit," thus the K) will show a positive result when a woman is pregnant, as well as when she's ovulating.
Specifically-- while it works most of the time, there are good reasons to avoid using an OPK as an HPT for diagnostic purposes. If you want to pee on any stick that will stand still after you know you're pregnant, just for fun, have at it. But I would not recommend using an OPK in place of an HPT overall.
Reasoning-- OPK's detect LH (luteinizing hormone) which is the hormone associated with ovulation. Pregnancy tests detect hCG, the hormone associated with pregnancy. LH and hCG are, at a molecular level, nearly identical. hCG has a beta subunit, meaning it has an extra little "doodad." To use a stupid but easy to understand example, LH and hCG are identical twins, except that hCG wears a funny hat.



An OPK tests only for the part of the molecule that LH and hCG have in common (the "face" or "body" of the identical twins.) Essentially an OPK is saying:


So an OPK will turn positive when it detects either of the "identical twins"-- ovulation or pregnancy hormone.
The reverse is not true, however, because an HPT tests for the part of the molecule that is unique to hCG (the "hat.") So an HPT would say:

Therefore, a pregnancy test will turn positive only in the presence of hCG, whereas an OPK will turn positive in the presence of hCG or LH.

Now, it's important to note that OPK's work differently than HPT's. A pregnancy test will develop 2 lines only if hCG (pregnancy hormone) is detected. Thus, "a line is a line" when determining a positive HPT. OPK's work differently. An OPK has a "control" line and a "test" line, just like an HPT. Unlike an HPT, however, the mere presence of a "test" line does not mean the test is positive. The test line must be as dark as, or darker than, the control line to be a positive result (meaning that a surge was detected, rather than the ordinary amount of LH usually found in your urine every day.)
This means that there is already some ambiguity involved in reading an OPK's results. Sometimes the line is almost as dark as the control line, but perhaps not quite as dark. Sometimes only the edge turns dark, or the top half of the line is darker than the bottom.
Additionally, OPK's are not as sensitive as a lot of HPT's are. This means that, if pregnant, you are likely to get a positive HPT earlier than you would get a positive OPK.


Elaboration: a lot of women e-mailed me expressing surprise at this. Keep in mind that HPT's are often more sensitive than advertised. First Response Early Result was found, in one recent clinical trial, to detect consistently as low as 12.5 mIU/mL of hCG, and sometimes as low as 4.5! OPK's are never more sensitive than advertised (they are detecting a hormone "surge"; if they are too sensitive they will turn positive from the normal all-the-time presence of LH in the female body.) The most sensitive OPK's on the market are 20 mIU, and some are sensitive to 30 or 40 mIU. OPK's may have a second line in the presence of less hormone-- the sensitivity refers to the threshold at which it turns positive.
So, if you are comparing a sensitive (20 mIU) OPK to some less-sensitive HPT's (sensitive to 25-50 mIU) then yes, it's true an OPK may turn positive before an HPT. However, the most sensitive HPT's available are more sensitive than the most sensitive OPK's available.
Most importantly, OPK's are not purified as well as HPT's are. Therefore, they are more prone to "errors" and positives do not always mean that either LH or hCG was detected. In other words . . . they're simply cheaper, shoddier tests.
Finally, research has shown there are actually different kinds of hCG. In some cases (most common in early pregnancy, or in pregnancies with chromosomal abnormalities) the hCG molecule may become "nicked" or "cleaved" (partially or completely separating into its alpha and beta units.) Ovulation tests may not recognize (cross-react) with all types of hCG molecules, and may be falsely negative during pregnancy. (An in-depth explanation of this is coming soon!)
At the end of the day, a positive result on an HPT means you are pregnant. A positive result on an OPK could mean you are near ovulation, pregnant, or the test is picking up an entirely different hormone or element. Or it may be negative even if a woman is pregnant. With a positive HPT there is no doubt; a positive OPK may provide a clue, but doesn't really give you an answer for sure.
So, my personal rule of thumb: use HPT's for pregnancy detection, and OPK's for ovulation.
If you already have your positive HPT and just want to "play" with tests, of course, that's something else entirely ;) So, for fun, ogle my OPK's. (They are Inverness brand cassette tests.) The one on the left is negative. It was taken at 9 DPO. I was pregnant, but my baby had not yet implanted (it was therefore too early for a positive test of any kind.) The one on the right was taken at 13 DPO, the day after I got a positive pregnancy test. The test line is clearly darker than the reference line, and is therefore positive.


Additionally . . . some women have experimented with the principle that an OPK, even if it's negative, will become increasingly darker if she is pregnant. (I did have a woman send me pics of this-- she took an OPK and HPT with the same urine during the "two week wait"-- 2WW-- and her OPK's did become increasingly dark. The HPT turned positive on the same day the OPK did. I am trying to find these pics because they were given to me before my old computer died . . . files are backed up, but not sure where! :-/ Anyway.) However, the question remains-- will an OPK always become increasingly dark if a woman is pregnant? Do increasingly dark OPK's always indicate pregnancy? In an effort to find out, I have been performing this experiment myself.
Remember: an OPK is only positive if both lines are equally dark (or if the TEST line is darker than the CONTROL line.) An OPK may show a faint test line in the presence of very little LH or hCG.








At 13 DPO, a new cycle began, confirming I was not pregnant. My OPK's did not become consistently darker, but some days were darker than previous days (e.g. 11 DPO was darker than the day before.) It does demonstrate that luteal phase LH levels fluctuate a bit and slight variations are normal.
Here is the next cycle's batch of tests. This time, I added breastmilk to an HPT to see if this is a method of early detection. Note: breastmilk tests are pink and streaky because of the milk's fat content.








Is that a faaaint positive on the HPT-with-pee I see?
Indeed! See the HPT Showdown for a comparison of 15 brands with the same pee.

So, it seems in some cases, the OPK will NOT get consistently darker leading up to a positive HPT. The OPK did eventually become positive, but was not a helpful clue prior to the positive HPT.
So, I stand by my original assesment . . . OPK's for ovulation, HPT's for pregnancy.
Good luck, ladies!
(Our little positive test, Charlotte, was born August 10, 2006!)

http://www.peeonastick.com/opkhpt.html
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I have 2 kids & 1 angel baby & live in Ohio
posted 5th Aug '09
No you don't O while pregnant. It is a tuff call either your preggo or ovulating. Since OPK can be used as hpt. hmmm tuffy
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I'm TTC since June '09, have 1 child & 2 angel babies & live in Elkhart, Indiana
posted 5th Aug '09
I have another article on OPKs as HPTs and how in some instances OPKs will be positive and stay positive before an HPT will because the OPK detects the alpha chains and HPTs detect the beta chains. In some women the alpha chains are much stronger than the beta chains initially so you can get a positive OPK after ovulation but a negative HPT before getting a positive HPT. There are also reports of women having positive OPKs continuously after O and end up being pregnant. It is a result of the hormones a fertilized egg gives off before implantation. Usually the levels of hormones from the fertilized egg are very low so it's not a given that it will happen. I have the article on my work computer so it will have to wait until later on tonight when I'm at work for me to post the link to the article. Also, my doctor today told me that your body produces LH in bursts after O, sometimes in low levels, sometimes in high levels, as part of a preparation for hCG production from the forming placenta, which can account for positive OPKs after O if your body just happens to make high levels of it.

Or, you could be in my situation currently. I was just diagnosed with having LUFS this cycle, so my suspicions were correct. This means that basically you ovulate, but the follicle doesn't fully release the egg. So, you will produce progesterone and get the elevated temp like you do with O, but (and this was the part I didn't know about until this morning) you will keep producing bursts of LH to try to get the follicle to rupture and release. As a result of this, AF may arrive really late, early, or right on time depending on when the progesterone level decides to drop. Women with endometriosis or history of ovarian cysts are much more likely to have this occur (I had an ovarian cyst to account for it happening to me this time).
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I'm due September 5th (a girl), have 2 kids & 9 angel babies & live in Oregon
posted 5th Aug '09
Quoting BunnyGirl19:“ I have another article on OPKs as HPTs and how in some instances OPKs will be positive and stay positive ... [snip!] ... of ovarian cysts are much more likely to have this occur (I had an ovarian cyst to account for it happening to me this time).”





my blood work came back and my hcg number was 7.. i know 5 or less is not pregnant. do i consider myself pregnant!?

the nurse says that im "possibly" pregnant. i have an appointment for next week. hopefully they rise.

but am i pretty much prego?

thanks girl for all the info.
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I have 1 child & live in Smyrna, Tennessee
posted 5th Aug '09
Quoting Rainbow Mommy*:“ my blood work came back and my hcg number was 7.. i know 5 or less is not pregnant. do i consider ... [snip!] ... pregnant. i have an appointment for next week. hopefully they rise. but am i pretty much prego? thanks girl for all the info.”

7 is really low, unless you are within a couple days of ovulating and getting preggo i would say it was prob a chemical preg. You wont know for sure until you have your numbers drawn again.
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I have 2 kids & live in Georgia
posted 5th Aug '09
Quoting Rainbow Mommy*:“ my blood work came back and my hcg number was 7.. i know 5 or less is not pregnant. do i consider ... [snip!] ... pregnant. i have an appointment for next week. hopefully they rise. but am i pretty much prego? thanks girl for all the info.”

Well, a woman always has some hCG in her body in low levels. Most women it is 5 or less. If you are perimenopausal it can be up to 9.5 and not be pregnant. It is possible with a level of 7 that you had been pregnant, just became pregnant, or are experiencing possibly a chemical pregnancy or blighted ovum, which is sort of pregnant. They won't go on to be a viable pregnancy as it is either not fully implanting or is just an implanted empty sac. Both instances cause the hCG levels to be lower than normal.

Hopefully just are just at the very early stages of implantation. Baby dust!!!!  
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I'm due September 5th (a girl), have 2 kids & 9 angel babies & live in Oregon
posted 5th Aug '09
Ok, here is what I got on HCG levels.

HCG stands for "Human Chorionic Gonadotropin", the pregnancy hormone. HCG is being produced by the placenta and enters the blood stream as soon as implantation happens, about one week after fertilization and ovulation, when the embryo implants and the placenta attaches to the uterine lining.
  • hCG under5 mIU/ml:Negative. Not pregnant
  • hCG between 5-25 mIU/ml:"Equivocal". Maybe pregnant maybe not. Repeat test in a couple of days
  • hCG over 25 mIU/ml:You are pregnant!



I know nothing about OPK, I only use the chart online 
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I have 5 kids & live in Chunky, Mississippi
posted 5th Aug '09
http://babymed.com/Tools/Pregnancy/hCG/Default.aspx

This is also a HCG calculator, I hope it helps! Keep me updated!
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I have 5 kids & live in Chunky, Mississippi
posted 5th Aug '09
Good luck & much babydust!! Let's hope for a beta of 14 or more in 48 hours. I'll cross my fingers for you momma!!
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I have 2 kids & 1 angel baby & live in Ohio
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