VBAC support and information thread

This is the offical VBAC support thread










Many women are missinformed, or not at all, about VBAC and I want this to be a place to find the imformation you need to make the decision to have a VBAC, or not, an imformed one.

I want moms to post thier VBAC stories (good, bad, uneventful) and what happened when you desided to have a VBAC? Did your VBAC go as planned? Did you have a hard time finding support or was your doctor/midwife encouraging? Did you have to fight the hospital or was your hospital VBAC supportive?

Also moms that tryed for a VBAC but then desided to have a repeat c-section. Why did you chose to have another c-section?


*****This thread VBAC suppost & informational thread is for any and every mom thats ever had a c-section and has eather had, is thinking about, or plans to have a Vaginal Birth After a C-section.


Our VBAC Mommies:

SaraLiz VBAC Secsessful on September 7th, 2008!!!!!
Jacksonsmom VBAC Sucessful on July 28th, 2009!!!!!
Precious' MilkMaid *DMFVBAC sucessfull on August 25th, 2009!!!!!
Tracy-VBAC PSM VBAC sucessfull on October 3rd, 2009!!!!!
lilyinlove78*EOM* VBAC sucessfull on November 5th, 2009!!!!!


Pregnant and trying for a VBAC....
lil mama x 3 trying for a VBAC after twins and due Septemder 15th, 2009
Due November 25th trying for a VBAC and due November 25th, 2009
Breanna(I CAN!) trying for a VABC and due December 23rd, 2009
Millie's Mama! trying for a VBAC and due December 31st, 2009
Due with #2 in 01-2010 trying for a VBAC and due January 6th, 2010
CrapBag. trying for a VBAC and due January 10th, 2010
♥ Mama Jo ♥ thrying for a VBAC and due January 16th, 2010
Romin & Baby #2's mommy trying for a VBAC and due January 17th, 2010
1+1 on the way! trying for a VBAC and due February 6th, 2010
Mommy Jrschka trying for a VBAC and due February 26th, 2010
Prego,With baby number 2! trying for a VBAC and due February 28th, 2010
A & Etrying for a VBAC and due March 22nd, 2010
Abby.w trying for a VABC and due March 23rd, 2010
Team Green #2trying for a VBAC and due March 29th, 2010
Mrz.CarlitaDoll trying for a VBAC and due March 30th, 2010
ChaCha's Mommy[16 weeks] trying for a VBAC and due April 1st, 2010
Ravey Candyass trying for a VBACand due April 7th, 2010
Maddox's Mommy trying for a VBAC and due May 5th, 2010
Evans_Mommy + One trying for a VBAC and due May 14th, 2010


Hoping for a VBAC in the future....
&hearts ProLife &hearts VBAC hopeful in 2010
She Got Her Own (BBM) (SC VBAC hopeful in 2010

♥Kate{HBC}♥ VABC hopeful in the future
Ms. Tesi VBAC hopeful in the future
Just Us Girls♥EBFBVBAC hopeful in the future
**Tiffer** VBAC hopeful in the future
Chloe's *PSMama =) VBAC hopeful in the future
Anthony's Mama* VBAC hopeful in the future
Maranda {JMM} VBAC hopeful in the future
Sabrina ♥ Sophie VBAC hopeful in the future
Lovin' Taylor Anne VBAC hopeful in the future
Brynley's Mommy! VBAC hopeful in the future
Coconut_CutieVBAC hopeful in the future

dnmwantababy~Melissa VBAC hopeful after twins in the future
AllboutthemVBAC hopeful after twins in the future

babybakerVBA2C hopeful in the furure
♥Melis♥ VBA2C hopeful in the future

Boob Tick's Mom ebfb.HBAC hopeful in the future
tantric_lemons☮ebfbHBAC hopeful in the future



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THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS TO CONSIDER WHEN DESIDING TO HAVE A VBAC



There is a myth surrounding VBACs in the United States. That they are dangerous and life threatening. This is smply not true. Yet more and more women seeking a vaginal birth after a c-section are left having no other option other then to have another c-section.Eather their doctor will not support them in there efert or the hospital in their area is not VBAC supportive. This is discouraging to pregant mothers searching foranatural birth experiance after a previous c-section.

Hospitals take on VBAC
Since 2004 the number of hospitals refusing, or not supporting, VBAC has tripled. ICANreleased a survey done in January 09 that surved 2,850 hospitals on their VBAC polises. 821 hospitasl stated there was a "ban" on doing VBAC at hteir hospital, in adition to 612 saying that they had a "de facto ban" on VBACs. ( de facto ban is simple that they have no record of any doctors working through thier hospital that support VBAC but the hospital its self has no official opion on the matter) ICAN estimates that less then 10% of the surved hospitals were VBAC supporting. These "bans" are making it nearly imposible for expecting mother wanting VBAC to have the birth they want.
( The above was taken from an artical in the May/June 2009 issue of Mohering magazine.)

So why the "ban"?
The fear that hospitals and doctors have is that the stress of labor and contractions may cause your uterin wall to rupture at the point where you had your previous c-section. BUT what doctors don't tell you is that this complication is very rare and can acure even in a women that has had no previous c-sections.

-According to a 10 year (1988-1997) population-based study there were 39 ruptures out of the 114,933 births reviewed. Out of those 114,933 births 11,585 had had a c-section previously to that birth (10%) and 37 of the reported ruptures were of those that had had a previous c-section (11,585). There was one reported neonatal death from an aperant uterin rupture but were NO reported maturnal deaths.
( the above was taken from http://ican-online.org/vbac/uterine-rupture-a-10-year-population-based-study-uterine-rupture)

Reported Complications of Labor and Delivery in US for year 2000 (Rate per 1000 live births)
*Umbilical Cord Prolapse-----1.9
*Fetal Distress -----39.2
*Abruptio Placenta -----5.5
( Source: CDC: NCHS: Births: Final Data for 2000 )
www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr50/nvsr50_05.pdf
*Uterine rupture rate per 100 women laboring for a VBAC, based on worldwide systematic reviews (0.09 to 0.8 %)-----0.9-8.0
( Source: Enkin et all 2000. A Guide to Effective Care in Pregnancy and Childbirth )
(chart taken from http://vbac.com/uterine.html )


HOWEVER, this thread is not going to be all one sided.

While there is evadence to support that VBAC is not only safe but should be encouraged there is also evadence to suggest that its too risky on the mother and child.

-There was a study that analyzing the records of 20,095 women who had their first child delivered by cesarean section and who delivered a second child either by cesarean or following labor. These records were from 1987 through 1996 and came from civilian hospitals in Washington State. The research fond that the rate of uterine rupture for repeat cesarean deliveries without labor for women having a previous C-section was 1.6 per 1,000 women. Uterine rupture was highest where prostaglandin, a naturally-occurring substance in the body administered to induce labor, was used for the second birth — 24.5 per 1,000 women. For women whose labor was induced without prostaglandin, the rate was 7.7 per 1,000 women. And for those with spontaneous onset of labor, the rate was 5.2 per 1,000 women. As these data indicate, uterine rupture is not that common, but it may have serious consequences that include hysterectomy, urologic injury, or need for a blood transfusion for the mother, and neurologic impairment in the infant.
( source:http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jul2001/ninr-04.htm)
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******VBAMC ( Vaginal Birth After Multiple C-sections )
ACOG revised its guidelines a few years ago to restrict Vaginal Birth after
2 Cesareans (VBA2C) only to those who have had a prior vaginal birth. However, the Societyof Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Canada (SOGC) does not restrict VBA2C only to those with a prior vaginal birth. The topic remains controversial.
In practice, with the backlash against VBAC of all types, many women are finding it difficult to find providers supportive of VBAMC at all. However, even though it may be difficult to find supportive providers, there are still women who are having VBACs after more than 1 cesarean.
( source: http://www.ican-online.org/vbac/vaginal-birth-after-multiple-cesareans)
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******HBAC ( Home Birth After Cesarean )

Comparing Homebirth/HBAC to Hospital Birth
Comparison of Homebirth & Hospital Birth
http://www.baby-gaga.com/outbound.php?post_id=16733893&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvbacfacts.com%2Fhbac.%2F

HBAC story
http://www.baby-gaga.com/outbound.php?post_id=16733893&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvbacfacts.com%2Fhbacbirth%2F

Homebirth after Cesarean: The Myth and the Reality
http://www.baby-gaga.com/outbound.php?post_id=16733893&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.midwiferytoday.com%2Farticles%2FHomebirthAfterCesarean.asp
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You've desided to try for a VBAC, what should you know?
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*Am I a good candidate?
General guide lines for a sucessful vaginal birth after a previous c-section:

1) You have already had a successful vaginal delivery. Women who have had at least one prior vaginal delivery have higher successful VBAC rates. A woman who has already had a successful VBAC is more likely to have a second successful VBAC than a woman whose vaginal delivery was followed by a C-section delivery

2) Your chances for a successful VBAC are higher if the reason for your prior C-section is not likely to re-occur during the current pregnancy.
The chances for a successful VBAC for a woman who has had a vaginal delivery, but then had to have a C-section because of an infection, for example, will be equal to those of a woman who has never had a Cesarean. If the prior C-section was done because the baby presented in breech position, the chances of a successful vaginal delivery are somewhat lower, but a VBAC is still a possibility because the current baby may enter the birth canal in a more favorable position. If the C-section delivery was due to insufficient cervical dilation, or placenta previa (a condition where the placenta has attached itself to the lower uterine wall close to, or covering, the cervix), the VBAC success chance is lower.

3) You have less than two low transverse (horizontal) Cesarean deliveries. Note the scar on you belly does not indicate what kind of incision (or scar) is on your uterus. Refer to the medical reports of your previous C-section(s).

4) You are under 40. Women under 40 years old have an almost 3-fold higher chance for a successful VBAC than older women. In fact, women over 40 have a lower rate of successful vaginal delivery generally, whether VBAC or not.

5) You don't need medical labor induction. Labor inducing medicationwill increase the risk of uterine rupture, and pregnancy healthcare providers may decide to abandon the VBAC attempt if the mother needs oxytocin (Pitocin).
(source http://ezinearticles.com/?Can-You-Really-Have-a-Vaginal-Birth-After-Caesarian-(VBAC)?&id=1986402)

-VBAC checklist http://ican-online.org/vbac/vaginal-birth-after-cesarean-checklist


*Know your hospital's policies.
-Find out if your hospital is VBAC supportive? Look here to finda list of VBAC "ban" and VBAC "supporting" hospitals---http://ican-online.org/vbac-ban-info

-What to do if your hospital has a "ban" on VBAC.... http://www.ican-online.org/vbac/your-right-refuse-what-do-if-your-hospital-has-banned-vbac-q
If you hospital says they "don't support" VBAC.... http://www.ican-online.org/vbac/My-Hospital-Is-Currently-Not-Allowing-VBAC


*Know your rights.
-There is no law saying that VBACs are ileagal!!
-You have the right to refuse any medical treatment, including a c-section.
-No hospital can turn you away if you are in active labor.
-No doctor can drop you as a patient within 30 days of your due date
http://www.ican-online.org/vbac/your-right-refuse-what-do-if-your-hospital-has-banned-vbac-q

-Vbac.com offers you a list of sites to learn more about your rights as a patient http://vbac.com/patientrights.html
-Visit www.BirthPolicy.org to learn more about the illegal and unethical status VBAC "bans".


( The majority of the information above was taken from www.vbac.com and www.ican-online.org Please feel free to explore them for further information. )

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THINGS TO CONSIDER ABOUT C-SECTIONS




What are some concerns about risks of c-section compared with vaginal birth?
When weighing planned VBAC versus planned c-section, the focus is often on potential problems with the uterine scar in labor or on problems associated with accumulating scars. But this results in an incomplete picture because it overlooks other risks that also differ between vaginal birth and cesarean section. Summarized here are some of the many extra risks associated with cesarean surgery as well as the few advantages.

Most of what we know about these risks comes from studies of cesarean in general, not planned c-section. Available research suggests that some of these risks may be lessened when the c-section is planned.

As you consider these, keep in mind that on average, 3 out of 4 women who labor after a c-section will give birth vaginally with care that encourages and supports VBAC (and fewer than 1 in 100 will experience the scar giving way). Even in cases where women scored 0 to 2 on a scale where 10 indicated greatest likelihood of vaginal birth, half gave birth vaginally.


-Physical problems for mothers: Compared with vaginal birth, cesarean section increases a woman's risk for a number of physical problems. These range from less common but potentially life-threatening problems, including hemorrhage (severe bleeding), blood clots, and bowel obstruction (due to scarring and adhesions from the surgery), to much more common problems such as longer-lasting and more severe pain and infection. Even after recovery from surgery, scarring and adhesion tissue increase risk for ongoing pelvic pain and for twisted bowel.

-Hospital stays: If a woman has a c-section, she is more likely to stay in the hospital longer and to be re-hospitalized.

-Emotional well-being: A woman who has a c-section may be at greater risk for poorer overall mental health and some emotional problems. She is also more likely to rate her birth experience poorer than a woman who has had a vaginal birth.

-Mother-baby relationship: A woman who has a c-section is more likely to have less early contact with her baby and initial negative feelings about her baby.

-Impact on babies: Babies born by c-section are more likely to:
be cut during the surgery (usually minor)
have breathing difficulties around the time of birth
experience asthma in childhood and in adulthood.

-Impact on any future babies: A cesarean section in this pregnancy increases risk for babies in future pregnancies. Some research finds that babies who develop in a scarred uterus are more likely to:
be born too early (preterm)
weigh less than they should (low birth weight)
have a physical abnormality or injury to their brain or spinal cord
die before or shortly after the birth



What are some concerns about effects of accumulating uterine scars on future pregnancies and births?

The likelihood of the following problems grows as the number of previous cesareans (and c-section scars) grows:

-placenta previa: a woman whose uterus has a cesarean scar is more likely than a woman with an unscarred uterus to have a future placenta attach near or over the opening to her cervix; this increases her risk for serious bleeding, shock, blood transfusion, blood clots, planned or emergency delivery, emergency removal of her uterus (hysterectomy), placenta accreta (see next), and other complications.
Added likelihood for a woman with a previous cesarean: MODERATE for placenta previa in a future pregnancy after having one cesarean; HIGH for placenta previa in a future pregnancy after having more than one cesarean

-placenta accreta: a woman whose uterus has a cesarean scar is more likely than a woman with an unscarred uterus to have a future placenta grow through the uterine lining and into or through the muscle of the uterus; this increases her risk for uterine rupture (see below), serious bleeding, shock, blood transfusion, emergency surgery, emergency removal of her uterus (hysterectomy), and other complications.
Added likelihood for a woman with at least one previous cesarean: MODERATE for placenta accreta in a future pregnancy, with increasing risk as the number of previous cesareans grows

-rupture of the uterus: a woman whose uterus has a cesarean scar is more likely than a woman with an unscarred uterus to have the uterine wall give way in a future pregnancy or labor, especially at the site of the scar; this increases her risk for severe bleeding, shock, blood transfusion, blood clots, planned or emergency cesarean delivery, emergency removal of the uterus (hysterectomy), and other complications; whether a woman plans a repeat cesarean or a VBAC (vaginal birth after cesarean), she is at greater risk for a ruptured uterus than a woman with no previous cesarean.
Added likelihood for a woman with a previous cesarean: MODERATE for rupture of the uterus, with increasing risk for two or more cesareans

( source-http://childbirthconnection.org/article.asp?ck=10210)


****Any other sites or sources that you feel should be added to the above information are welcome.



If anyones intersted..... heres some VBAC grapics for you mommas

OOO awesome!
im considering doing a VBAC with this bean since i sont want to risk having 4 repeat c sections.. (we want two more kidds after this one.)  

My experience:
I had my first c-section due to fetal distress. I became pregnant 5 years later with my second baby. My hospital does not support VBAC because we don't have anesthesia there 24/7. They have to be called in if you come in during the night. My choices were to drive an hour away for a VBAC or stay at my hospital and have a repeat section. After MUCH tossing and turning, as I really wanted a VBAC, I decided on the repeat c-section. I loved my OB and I work at our hospital, so I knew I'd be well cared for. I will, however, drive that hour for a chance at VBAC the next time. Just my experience.

Quoting Mallory's Mama:“ OOO awesome! im considering doing a VBAC with this bean since i sont want to risk having 4 repeat c sections.. (we want two more kidds after this one.)  ”

I had a c/s in November and I refuse to have another one when ever i have more children, but I was told that it was ileagal to do VBACs and that my hospital would not alow me to   Thats the reason for the thread. Its pure crap what they told me and I did the research to prove it  

Quoting momma5:“ My experience: I had my first c-section due to fetal distress. I became pregnant 5 years later with ... [snip!] ... so I knew I'd be well cared for. I will, however, drive that hour for a chance at VBAC the next time. Just my experience.”

Alot of the information listed is about how they can't tell you that. My hospital says they"ban" VBACs but they can't legaly do that. If you came in in active labor and refused to have a prepeat c/s and had had a healthy pregancy they have to support your right to try for a VBAC. They can not fource you to have a c/s or turn you away.

Quoting Just Us Girls♥EBFB:“ I had a c/s in November and I refuse to have another one when ever i have more children, but I was told ... [snip!] ... not alow me to   Thats the reason for the thread. Its pure crap what they told me and I did the research to prove it  ”

well im glad you listed all this.   whenever i pick a new OB, im going to make sure im up front about wanting to try a VBAC.

im terrified that if i have repeat c section after c section im going to bleed out on the table..  

Quoting Mallory's Mama:“ well im glad you listed all this.   whenever i pick a new OB, im going to make sure im up front about ... [snip!] ... to try a VBAC. im terrified that if i have repeat c section after c section im going to bleed out on the table..  ”

repeat c/s are risky too,sometimes more, vsVBAC only they don't want to tell you that. Even women that have had no pevious c/s can have a uterin rupture.

Make sure to read through your patient right cause most doctors will tell you they don't support VBACs and that no one does, which is not true but makes it harder. Ican-online.com has a section on what to do if your hospital has "ban" VBAC and I have itlinked up top.

i had a c-section & i want to have a vback next baby..
so thanks for this thred so i can learn some more and read the stories so i can have some info before actually making my decision.

Quoting Just Us Girls♥EBFB:“ repeat c/s are risky too,sometimes more, vsVBAC only they don't want to tell you that. Even women ... [snip!] ... but makes it harder. Ican-online.com has a section on what to do if your hospital has "ban" VBAC and I have itlinked up top.”

thats what i meant, lol.
i dont want to risk getting cut open over and over again and bleeding out.. vs attampting a VBAC and actually succeeding... and even if i fail at a VBAC, atleast i know i tried..

if i have another i want a HBAC

Quoting tantriclemons☮ebfb:“ if i have another i want a HBAC”

what is HBAC?

Hi... I had a c-section in March 08 because my son turned breech at 39 weeks... I am due in January and I am considering a VBAC, but I have not decided. I am switching clinics, so I am not sure if they will do it or not.

Quoting No day but today:“ what is HBAC?”

I think she ment VBAC?? If not idk what HBAC is?

HBAC=Home Birth After Cesarean

Quoting tantriclemons☮ebfb:“ HBAC=Home Birth After Cesarean”

O lol  

I didn't see much informaion on home births after a c-section when I was looking. What have you found out?