First off, as I saw another debate in this thread, both high schoolers and and middle schoolers do in fact use scissors in school. Art projects, math assignments, sentence fragmenting are all done with scissors. Schools are attempting to go with a more kinesthetic approach to learning and scissors help that concept. I was just in a 6th grade classroom this semester and they used scissors, THAT THEY BROUGHT, to cut things out of a magazine for an English assignment. That argument was completely ridiculous that they don't use them.

As for the argument at hand, the only way they would have been able to expel her is if it is in their rules and regulations in their student handbook. Blades are considered weapons. In their rules, I'm sure that bringing weapons to school constitutes expulsion. The school was legally in their rights to expel her.

Many people keep saying, "Oh she was an honors student." "Oh, it was a grooming device." The fact is that the rule applies to everyone. If it didn't, they would be accused of favoritism. Also, someone else could have taken it out of her locker and hurt someone with it. I understand the schools decision.

Had she used it to stab someone, you all would be in here screaming, "The schools need to protect my child!" Its a lose-lose situation.

Quoting MommyRust:“ First off, as I saw another debate in this thread, both high schoolers and and middle schoolers do in ... [snip!] ... used it to stab someone, you all would be in here screaming, "The schools need to protect my child!" Its a lose-lose situation.”

And say, if your daughter had brought something similar to this in her school, and she got expelled for an extensive amount of time possibly ruining her entire life, you would go off your rocker.

The punishment does not fit the crime, she's been used as an example. And its incredibly unfortunate that people out there actually agree with this bull crap.

Quoting ~China Doll~™:“ Well I wouldn't feel comfortable sending my son to school where girls could bring razors to school and only get detention for it.”

Lmao!!

So answer me this, if they found a gun in a bag that day, and that kid got the same punishment, would you still agree with it?

Quoting usmcbaby!:“ And say, if your daughter had brought something similar to this in her school, and she got expelled ... [snip!] ... crime, she's been used as an example. And its incredibly unfortunate that people out there actually agree with this bull crap.”

Both I, and my daughter, have more common sense than that, so that argument is mute. It wouldn't happen because there are no reasons to have a razor on school premises.

As someone that is in the school system and inside these school buildings frequently, I do agree with it. I agree with uniform rules for all;special treatment for none.If this is a no-tolerance school, which it appears to be, parents sign forms saying that they understand the rules. The children are required to sign the same set of rules.

Ignorance of the rules, just like in law, doesn't give you a right to get away with something.

Quoting usmcbaby!:“ Lmao!! So answer me this, if they found a gun in a bag that day, and that kid got the same punishment, would you still agree with it?”

Yes. If the rule says that weapons (as listed in the handbook, which include any type of blades or razors) say that expulsion is the punishment, than that would be fine with me.

Taken directly from the Penn Hill's Discipline Code, given to each student at the beginning of the school year:

**Weapon is defined but not limited to any knife, cutting instrument,
cutting tool, nunchaku, firearm, shotgun, rifle, look-alike gun, and/or any
other tool, instrument or implement capable of inflicting serious bodily
injury. A student is in possession of a weapon when the weapon is found on
the person of the student; in the student’s locker; under the student’s
control while s/he is on school property, on property being used by the
school, at any school function or activity, at any school event held away from
the school; or while the student is on his/her way to or from school. Upon
entering school, if students feel that they may have items on their person
that are in violation of our weapons policy, they should immediately turn it in to the office.

***In accordance with Act 26, the Safe Schools Act, the school district shall
expel for a period of not less than one (1) year any student who violates
the weapons policy. Such expulsion shall be given in conformance with
formal due process proceedings required by law.

So, in all reality, the school district was only following the laws governed by the state of Pennsylvania, as the Safe Schools Act is a law in that state.

Quoting MommyRust:“ First off, as I saw another debate in this thread, both high schoolers and and middle schoolers do in ... [snip!] ... used it to stab someone, you all would be in here screaming, "The schools need to protect my child!" Its a lose-lose situation.”

Ok One, i have already appologized for misspeaking on that, I meant that they are not required to bring scissors not use them. And 6th grade is still elementary school. If scissors were required to be brought to school it would be just like it is in elementary school where you get a list of everything needed for school and scissors would be on said list, or in the syllapus(sp?) and even then elemntary school kids dont bring them back and forth or cary them in their bags, they bring them in sometime during the first week and are kept in school. But that is neither here nor there.

Also the eyebrow shaver can refer to the ones that have concelled blades and use vibrations to remove the hair, the ones that are so safe ou can run them over a balloon and not pop it. (Trust me it works my SO's sister has one and we decided to test out the claim.) A razor is completely different.

Expulsion til the end of the school year makes sense but Expelling her for the end of the school year AND 45days next year is exsessive.

And actually if someone had gotten hurt or killed due to that device, Id be asking WTH kids are being taught and how they have the knowledge to turn something like that into a weapon. Also im nt saying she shouldnt have been punished, I think the school should have confiscated the "weapon" and MAYBE suspended her for a short period of time...

Quoting Dreaming of Better Times:“ Ok One, i have already appologized for misspeaking on that, I meant that they are not required to ... [snip!] ... been punished, I think the school should have confiscated the "weapon" and MAYBE suspended her for a short period of time...”

Based on the laws of the state though, she still got off easy. She was supposed to be expelled for NO LESS than one full year. She basically got off with maybe a month this year and a month and a half next year. Therefore, her punishment, based on the schools conduct code and the Safe Schools Act, is lighter than it should have been.

And 6th grade is middle school in some states. Elementary runs K-5. Middle is 6, 7, 8. Highschool is 9-12. If I have an Elementary Teaching licenses, I cannot teach a 6th grade class.

Quoting MommyRust:“ Based on the laws of the state though, she still got off easy. She was supposed to be expelled for ... [snip!] ... runs K-5. Middle is 6, 7, 8. Highschool is 9-12. If I have an Elementary Teaching licenses, I cannot teach a 6th grade class.”

And those rules you posted say that weapons are considered to be Weapon is defined but not limited to any knife, cutting instrument,
cutting tool, nunchaku, firearm, shotgun, rifle, look-alike gun, and/or any other tool, instrument or implement capable of inflicting serious bodily. Who expects an eyebrow shaver to cause SERIOUS BODILY HARM? Even if you manage to cut yourself while using it, I doubt it would be serious bodily harm, and I doubt that you can cut someone else with it the way you can a knife.
injury.

Quoting Dreaming of Better Times:“ And those rules you posted say that weapons are considered to be Weapon is defined but not limited to ... [snip!] ... I doubt it would be serious bodily harm, and I doubt that you can cut someone else with it the way you can a knife. injury.”

It is DEFINED BUT NOT LIMITED TO...and that is indeed a cutting tool, so it is covered under the first part of the statement, not the latter that reads "any other weapon that can cause bodily harm."

Alot of your argument stems from the fact that you believe this tool was harmless. However, what if it was one of these eyebrow shavers:


Those could slice someones wrists or throat. They could be used to slice someone up. IMO, those are not harmless. They have the same cutting ability as a knife or razor blade.

Quoting MommyRust:“ Alot of your argument stems from the fact that you believe this tool was harmless. However, what if it ... [snip!] ... could be used to slice someone up. IMO, those are not harmless. They have the same cutting ability as a knife or razor blade.”

 
This is the actual eyebrow shaver in question. The same kind felt pretty dangerous when it was being scraped against my skin. If her child was cut(god forbid) with a similar instrument, I bet she would have another thing to say.

Quoting MickyD:“   This is the actual eyebrow shaver in question. The same kind felt pretty dangerous when it was being ... [snip!] ... against my skin. If her child was cut(god forbid) with a similar instrument, I bet she would have another thing to say. ”

Exactly. Also, no one knows this girl. Even honor students go on crazy sprees when provoked. No one knows if she was having a hard time with her boyfriend. No one knows if the stress of being an honor student had taken its toll and she had gone a little crazy. No one knows therefore it is better to err on the side of caution.

Quoting MickyD:“   This is the actual eyebrow shaver in question. The same kind felt pretty dangerous when it was being ... [snip!] ... against my skin. If her child was cut(god forbid) with a similar instrument, I bet she would have another thing to say. ”

If it was used or even in the girls hand I can understand her being Expelled, but not for simply having it in her purse. Even if my child went to school with someone who had it in her purse it wouldnt bother me, now IF she had it out or something I could understand the expulsion, but NOT for simply having it in her purse.

Quoting Dreaming of Better Times:“ If it was used or even in the girls hand I can understand her being Expelled, but not for simply having ... [snip!] ... bother me, now IF she had it out or something I could understand the expulsion, but NOT for simply having it in her purse.”

Do you feel the same way about guns then? Just as long as it is in someone's backpack, they should not be in trouble. They both have the potential to harm someone if in the hands of the wrong person.