re: Pro-Life thread/sanctuary

Quoting Mary House(joash's mom):“ Actually, I would disagree. The whole act of sex is mainly for Procreation. Now I will say that I do ... [snip!] ... "two wrongs don't make one right" And that the child should not have to suffer the consequences of his or her birth parents.”

I agree. Well said.

Quoting MandyLoo:“ "And how many married people do you know that get abortions?" Funny that you mention this because ... [snip!]The child does not suffer from an abortion, it's a fetus, and most abortions are done before 8 weeks, the fetus does not feel anything and does not suffer.(snip) ... to keep the child, then they can't afford to keep it fed, or clothed, or they resent it and abuse the child. Then it suffers.”

By the way.... This is kind of off topic but... Ladies the meaning of the word "Fetus" as it is put by Wikipedia for your enjoyment.....
"The word fetus is from the Latin fetus, meaning offspring, bringing forth, hatching of young.[3]"


I honestly am quite to tired to reply at the moment to everything that was said....
But also fail to see why I should anyways, I think I pretty much said all that I needed and wanted too. (And yall are all thinking "thank god for that" lol...)
I am obviously Pro-Life all the way, I basically "bulldoze the fence" as it may have been put in the previous page.
When I do talk to someone about Abortion that has had one, I don't jump to condemn them or scream hatred or Judgment.
If they ask me what I believe on the topic, I give them my point of view.
And on a by standing note... My expression of my point of view when shared has changed quite a few minds. I'm not gloating. But I do believe anyone can have a effect on someone else's decision, BUT! it is one they have to make on their own.
I believe it is their decision to end their childs life, just like it is for me to end my childs life. It would be murder to do either.


(Note!!!: I love my son!!!! And would never do anything to hurt him! I felt bad even typing that above...lol)
Night.

I find it funny that the same pro-choice people who post in here are the same ones that get their panties in a knot when a pro-life person posts in the pro-choice thread.They usually tell the person it's a sanctuary,read the rules, take your comments to the other thread, your not welcome here, this is not the place for debate,ect. Maybe those pro-choice people should follow their own advice.

Quoting OthoPed:“ I find it funny that the same pro-choice people who post in here are the same ones that get their panties ... [snip!] ... your not welcome here, this is not the place for debate,ect. Maybe those pro-choice people should follow their own advice.”

It's funny, I was just thinking that exact same thing.

Quoting OthoPed:“ I find it funny that the same pro-choice people who post in here are the same ones that get their panties ... [snip!] ... your not welcome here, this is not the place for debate,ect. Maybe those pro-choice people should follow their own advice.”

i identify w/ both camps (i'm assuming you're referring to me?)...

i really don't like abortion-- it makes me very sad that it exists in the forms it does and i don't want it to be a viable form of birth control ... but i see the hard-line pro-lifers making it difficult for themselves to advance their message b/c of the unnecessary judgments on the women for being sexually active.

i'm not here to argue w/ you on the finer points of being pro-life-- as that's not cool in this thread, but to try and cover the problems that're going to make it harder for you to ever change anyone's mind.

judging women for getting an abortion, or worse, for having sex in the first place-- is just counter-productive.

i mean, if you're comfortable w/ the fact that being unnecessarily judgmental about a woman's sexual behavior isn't kind or compassionate enough to change anyone's mind about aborting, then i'll leave.

i also argued w/ pro-choicers-- in their thread about their desire to piss off pro-lifers w/ unnecessarily graphic or sarcastic/cruel slogans/images.

Quoting Mara:“ i identify w/ both camps (i'm assuming you're referring to me?)... i really don't like abortion-- it ... [snip!] ... in their thread about their desire to piss off pro-lifers w/ unnecessarily graphic or sarcastic/cruel slogans/images.”

While I don't agree that women should be having sex frivolously, that is her choice. I think that sex needs to be saved for marriage, but it not my job to save them. However. I do think that if she is willing to have sex, she needs to be willing to protect herself, or accept the consequences. There are far better forms of birth control, abortion is not one of them. What they do is their business. But honestly, to ask for sympathy because they took a life and are now feeling guilty for it, in my opinion, is ridiculous. If they felt so bad about it, why did they do it? I understand there may be underlying circumstances for the abortion, but in some cases, there is always a way out.
Case in point, there was a young girl on here a few months ago talking about her father forcing her to get an abortion, and she really didn't want to. She didn't see a way out of it. Until we stepped in and showed her that there was always a way out, that he couldn't force her to do anything, that the mother always has a choice. Always. That's just one instance, I'm sure there are many more.
I don't pretend to know everyone's life, and I try not to pass judgement on others. However it is hard to do when we see women coming on here who have had their third, fourth, even fifth abortions and say that they will keep having them. And then they want to get upset when they are TTC and can't conceive... hmm, how ironic is that? IMO there is never a justification for abortion. I guess you could call me one of those "extreme" pro-lifers. But what a woman choses to do with her life is her business. Just as long as innocent lives aren't being lost.

Quoting MamaCrash:“ While I don't agree that women should be having sex frivolously, that is her choice. I think that sex ... [snip!] ... pro-lifers. But what a woman choses to do with her life is her business. Just as long as innocent lives aren't being lost. ”

i don't think sex needs to be saved for marriage, but i absolutely agree it should be taken seriously... i don't like the way the media makes everything about sex, but w/out ever actually painting the real picture-- the truth of what casual sex can be (unwanted babies, STDs, emotional pain).

i do have sympathy for them b/c i've had casual sex enough to know that had i become pregnant (i was always on the pill), i would've been utterly and truly torn b/c i would have no desire to have a child w/ any of the men i had casual sex w/.

i was young. i had a lot of emotional insecurities and thought sex was a way to prove myself-- to make myself more powerful even-- and yes, it did feel good and connected me (however briefly) in a powerful way w/ those men. i was on birth control, i'd taken the necessary precautions to not get pregnant... but had i become pregnant, even today, i couldn't tell you what i'd have done. i'm fairly certain it would've have been abortion, but i can't say that w/ certainty.

my point is simple: when i imagine myself in that position, i know that having women come at me w/ judgments for my sexual behavior that led to my unwanted pregnancy, would complete repulse me from their pro-life stance-- b/c they would be making it about me and how wrong i was for having sex instead of focusing on the child's life and trying to offer me some mental and emotional support in the form of kindness and compassion.

judging a woman for having sex is not going to save their unborn child... so, if it makes you feel better to judge than to save a life, that's on you.

Quoting OthoPed:“ I find it funny that the same pro-choice people who post in here are the same ones that get their panties ... [snip!] ... your not welcome here, this is not the place for debate,ect. Maybe those pro-choice people should follow their own advice.”

No, you'll find that's true for only a very small fraction of us.

As well, I have said REPEATEDLY if you guys feel someone is abusing your thread, that you should send a message to ME asking me to send a mod request.

Not once has any of you ever sent me a message saying "Hi, I think someone has overstepped their boundaries and you need to send a mod request so they can be blocked."

So, what's the deal?

C.

Quoting Mara:“ ah, if i had a dollar for every time a pro-lifer mentioned the spreading their legs = you should have ... [snip!] ... woman? seeing as men have indiscriminate sex all the time and walk away from their paternal responsibility w/ no ill-effects?”

It's not involved with the desire of wanting a baby BUT has everything to do with creating a new life. Sadly, we can only use bc to try and not make one.
But also, There are other options for sex, oral, handjobs. And I think, if abortions were only because bc failed, I don't think there would many of them.

Double Post

Quoting Mara:“ ah, if i had a dollar for every time a pro-lifer mentioned the spreading their legs = you should have ... [snip!] ... woman? seeing as men have indiscriminate sex all the time and walk away from their paternal responsibility w/ no ill-effects?”

Oh, and I think all the responsibilyt fall on us bc we carry the child. But if in some case my SO would want me to abort, I wouldn't listen to him. And also, if I were ok with abortions and my SO wanted to keep the child but not me, I will give him the right to keep the baby.

Quoting Mara:“ the whole act of sex is for pleasure. and actually, people who choose to make babies are the minority. ... [snip!] ... that child-- the aborted one, won't suffer. they'll be dead. suffering is something a living being can do, not a dead one.”

Many people (not all of them) part of these unwanted pregnancies also do not use bc or do not do it properly, also, many women said that they didn't think that that could happen to them. This problem is very complex.
Do you think if the only consequence of sex was STD's not babies, do you think people would still do it? Some, I'm sure will. But not many people see a pregnancy like it is, aanother human beign, wheter you like it or not, it is a human. If we were able to breed dogs, birds, plants, then I wouldn't care to abort.

http://forum.baby-gaga.com/about854591.html
Look at this ladies...what you think?

Quoting SchluSchlu:“ http://forum.baby-gaga.com/about854591.html Look at this ladies...what you think?”

I think absolutly the parents should be noticified if their child is underaged and wants to have an abortion. For a child to have a procedure or surgery done, parental consent is need, abortion is no exception. What happens if the child has a medical condition that she doesn't understand very well or does not tell the doctor about because A. she forgot to say anything about it or B.doesn't tell the doctor because she afraid he will not proform the abortion and gets seriously injured or dies as a result. As much as I'am pro-life, if I get a phone call from a clinic telling me my daughter wants to have an abortion, I won't be happy, but I would want it done safely. And yes if given the chance I would try to talk her out of it.

I don't understand why people are so quick to judge Pro-choicers. What happens if a girl gets raped by her FATHER? Then what? Put yourself in there shoes...would YOU want to carry your FATHER'S child? Your child's dad would also be your child's grandfather.That child would be fromincest/imbred. Most Pro-lifers say "how can you kill your baby?" ... but given that situation, her BABY would also be her BROTHER/SISTER. That's kind of disturbing and that child would be tormented for life just thinking about who his/her mom and dad are. IMO, a child shouldn't have to go through the mental abuse of that situation. Can someone honestly tell me that if your dad raped you and got you pregnant, you would stillcarry it? (I see on the news all the time of shit happening like that with the dad...yuck!)