re: Marijuana and the Bible.

God tells us to drink in moderatino........he tells us that our bodies are the temple of Christ and not to ABUSE them (which I believe drug use and not drinking in moderation are considered abuse.) it's all about knowing your scripture, and the cross referencing of it. God gave us all these great things, and all this bountiful food, but he says gluttony is a sin. I take the bible for both its literal and metaphorical meaning. I believe you have to discern what is the literal, and what is the metaphorical.

When Jesus said,"remove first the plank from your eye before removing the splinter from your neighbor's" that's not literal, it's metaphorical for "hey, check your own sin before you correct your neighbor's"

heartsandroses wrote: no it still isnt OK with me even though God created it...
the reason it is NOT OK...is because so many cannot handle the food and abuse and since they have made it illegal to use..then it is not OK...

maybe if people didnt abuse Gods creations then I could say i thought it was OK...but in todays society..NOPE it isnt....

OK... by saying this you are DIRECTLY contradicting the Bible, and the Word of God.

Let me cite you a few passages here...

Genesis 1

29: And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food.

AND

1 Timothy 4

1: Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,

2: through the pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared,

3: who forbid marriage and enjoin abstinence from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

4: For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving;

Now, this says that in later times (now) demons will cause some to depart from faith by decreeing abstinence from foods which God created to be used.

So, if you do believe that the Bible is the Literal Word of God, then saying that eating marijuana is wrong means that you are not following the faith as you are being mislead by a demon, because the Bible clearly predicts that in the future people will be trying to prohibit the use of marijuana (among other "foods").

So, you either believe 100% in the infallibility of the Bible and admit that God intends for marijuana to be used by us as food, or you don't really believe that the Bible is true, because who are you to contradict God?

C.

heartsandroses wrote: I SAID THAT SINCE PEOPLE TODAY CANNOT HANDLE PROPERLY USING THIS FOOD THEN THAT IS WHY THEY CANT!!!!! gosh.....  
It is the peoples fault that it is illegal...PLUS God DID NOT intend for us to abuse the use of food.....

It doesn't matter what YOU say, it matters what God says.

Do you disagree with what is written in the Bible? Go back and read 1 Timothy 4. You may not think people can handle it, but 1 Timothy 4 is clear about people who attempt to stop people from using God's food as being mislead by demons, according to the Spirit. The Bible says that you are wrong.

Why is it that the Bible is the literal Word of God, except for when you disagree with something? You can't pick and choose God's laws if you're a Christian.

So I ask again, flat out, which choice is true - there are only two choices, from a logical standpoint.

1) The Bible is the Literal Word of God, and God provided marijuana (and all other seed bearing plants) to be used as food, and he foresaw that in later times (now, since it's only been in the last century that there's been marijuana prohibition) man would stray from the true faith (Christianity) by demanding that people abstain from the food (in this case, marijuana as it's one of the aforementioned foods in Genesis 1) that God provided for his children to enjoy in thanksgiving.

2) You disagree with what is written in Genesis 1 and 1 Timothy 4, and therefore the Bible CANNOT be the Literal Word of God because Genesis 1 and 1 Timothy 4 are not true.

So either marijuana is OK to eat, or the Bible is false. Which is it?

It doesn't matter what other sections of the Bible say, especially since those sections you reference mention ONLY drunkenness and wine. Marijuana does not cause drunkenness, no matter how much you want to equate those passages with marijuana use. Genesis 1 does specifically refer to seed bearing plants, of which marijuana is.

One more time... Either the Bible is correct, and God wants marijuana to be eaten by us in thanksgiving, or the Bible is false. So which is it?

C.

carysehlwinn wrote: King James Version............

The Bible does not offer a stance on smoking marijuana, so it's fair to claim that God does not condone smoking marijuana.............

If you believe however, that the Bible is the literal word of God, then God has clearly provided marijuana to his children for food. Marijuana is a green, seed bearing plant, and God has given every green plant on the earth for food.

Only one of two possibilities can be true:

Either the Bible is the literal word of God, and marijuana is provided by God to us to eat, or marijuana was not put here for us to eat, making it impossible for the Bible to be the literal word of God by virtue of this one passage at least being wrong.

It also follows that if the Bible is the literal word of God, and that all green seed bearing plants are provided for food by God, then it's not wrong to use cannabis in food and that specific use should be legal as God's laws should supersede that of man.

C.

First of all....

ok....in my opinion the bible CAN'T be the LITERAL word of God because God did NOT write the bible lol. men did. think about it for a second...this is a fact: man wrote the bible...not god.

and you want to know something interesting? there is proof in the bible because it does say who some of the authors were and there were SEVERAL. so, not only did more than one man write the bible but SEVERAL did. and some of which are unknown authors. how do WE know that these men were all honest and godly people that actually spoke with god and didnt make up some of the stories?? i can write in my notebook that i spoke with god and he told me marijuana is good for you, but are ANY of you going to believe me? lol none of us really know how credible some of the authors were, and because there were several it complicates it further...

but like you said, if for whatever reason you do believe the bible to be the literal word of god (even though he did not write it himself) then i guess that would technically make marijuana food being put here for his children to eat.

but thats about as ridiculous as saying that other plants (ones that are not edible or are poisonous or unhealthy) were also put here for us to eat lol. this is like what i was saying in the topic i posted about teaching our kids religion, how things in the bible shouldn't necessarily be taken so literally and are more stories than anything else. there are a TON of things in the bible like this that dont make a lot of sense, especially when applied to todays time and our society. and before you go thinking i dont know what im talking about i can honestly say that i read the majority of the bible for a class and we annalyzed and studied it under a microscope. and no, this was not a class full of non-believers. there were just as many faithfuls as there were skeptics and it made a lot of interesting debates...but you cant argue what is fact.

however, i noticed someone else did bring up an interesting point for those of you who do strongly believe that the bible is the word of god. although he may say that all these plants put on the earth are for food, he also does not approve of gluttony and calls it a sin. so regardless of whether you smoke it, eat it, or really do ANYTHING IN EXCESS even if its not drugs, then you are "sinning". again, i myself am not very religious but i believe that moderation is key with anything and everything. even stuff that is good for you.
EXAMPLE: it may be good to have protein and eat meat, but too much of it can lead to heart problems.........its good to toast someone at a wedding with a glass of wine, but its not so great if you go out drinking every night and develop problems with your liver........etc

if you wanna go eat marijuana, then i guess like everything else you shouldn't do it a lot or in excess. i myself do not condone drug use though. i've seen it ruin too many lives and i have been around people with addictions. and you can't tell me people dont become addictive/obsessive over marijuan because i've seen it happen.

mrscappy wrote:
but like you said, if for whatever reason you do believe the bible to be the literal word of god (even though he did not write it himself) then i guess that would technically make marijuana food being put here for his children to eat.

I think the Bible is pretty much hogwash myself.

But I reckon if people are going to use the Bible as justification for things like anti-homosexuality and the like based on what's written and it being God's Word, then it goes both ways, God also condones using marijuana for food because it's written in there.

Quote: but thats about as ridiculous as saying that other plants (ones that are not edible or are poisonous or unhealthy) were also put here for us to eat lol. this is like what i was saying in the topic i posted about teaching our kids religion, how things in the bible shouldn't necessarily be taken so literally and are more stories than anything else. there are a TON of things in the bible like this that dont make a lot of sense, especially when applied to todays time and our society. and before you go thinking i dont know what im talking about i can honestly say that i read the majority of the bible for a class and we annalyzed and studied it under a microscope. and no, this was not a class full of non-believers. there were just as many faithfuls as there were skeptics and it made a lot of interesting debates...but you cant argue what is fact.

I've read it cover to cover, it's rife with inaccuracies and contradictions. If one does believe in it literally though, then they can't choose which parts they want to believe in, it's all or nothing, even if it doesn't make sense.

Quote: however, i noticed someone else did bring up an interesting point for those of you who do strongly believe that the bible is the word of god. although he may say that all these plants put on the earth are for food, he also does not approve of gluttony and calls it a sin. so regardless of whether you smoke it, eat it, or really do ANYTHING IN EXCESS even if its not drugs, then you are "sinning". again, i myself am not very religious but i believe that moderation is key with anything and everything. even stuff that is good for you.
EXAMPLE: it may be good to have protein and eat meat, but too much of it can lead to heart problems.........its good to toast someone at a wedding with a glass of wine, but its not so great if you go out drinking every night and develop problems with your liver........etc

I agree about moderation. Nothing should be overdone, not only because it could be harmful but because something overdone eventually loses it's charm and becomes disinteresting.

Quote: if you wanna go eat marijuana, then i guess like everything else you shouldn't do it a lot or in excess. i myself do not condone drug use though. i've seen it ruin too many lives and i have been around people with addictions. and you can't tell me people dont become addictive/obsessive over marijuan because i've seen it happen.

I'm not denying that people can become "addicted". I use quotations because they don't become physically addicted to marijuana in the way that they would cocaine or heroin, but as with anything it's certainly possibly to become mentally addicted.

C.

heartsandroses wrote: Carys....lisyten i dont think you understand....GOD did NOT intend for man to abuse the use of the food...that is all i am saying...by smoking it and using it as way to get high off of you are abusing the herb........yeah........
God talks about eating the herb...not about rolling it up and smoking the joint...

And I never said, anywhere, that he did, did I?

I am talking SPECIFICALLY about eating it.

C.

mrscappy wrote:
ok....in my opinion the bible CAN'T be the LITERAL word of God because God did NOT write the bible lol. men did. think about it for a second...this is a fact: man wrote the bible...not god.

I cannot beleive you would honestly think that God would allow men to write their own thoughts and feeling down and then take responsibility for it. Why would God even allow those passages into the Bible in the first place if He did not agree with what was written? Are you saying you do not think of God as powerful enough to control HIS OWN WORD? Yes SEVERAL men wrote the books of the Bible, over SEVERAL years, but that DOES NOT, mean that it is any less true. That's satan in your ear telling you not to believe God 100%, Your putting your own twist on things to satisfy your own worldly pleasures.

cary, I've noticed that you have a hangup over marijuana. there are other things to talk about.

and, there's more to the bible that timothy 4, and your passage from Genesis that you thump into the ground.

another thing directed towards someone else:

Yes, MAN wrote the passages of scripture, but only did so by the divine inspiring from the holy spirit. So it WAS God's word flowing directly through the men, and it was not their own thought.

The bible says,"eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth." aka, do unto others..

but that doesn't mean that you actually DO that. ugh....some people.

beacheyes17 wrote: cary, I've noticed that you have a hangup over marijuana. there are other things to talk about.

I haven't made 2000 posts about marijuana, eh?

However, since I'm part of the legalization movement, for me this is a huge issue. I will continue to do my part of behalf of the movement when and where I can.

Quote: and, there's more to the bible that timothy 4, and your passage from Genesis that you thump into the ground.

Sure there is, the rest of which is irrelevant to my argument. If those who believe in the Bible can pick and choose passages out of context willy nilly to prove their points, why cannot I do the same thing? If Leviticus 18:22 can stand on it's own as an indictment of homosexuality, then Genesis 1:29 and 1 Timothy 4:1-4 can stand on their own as God's approval of using cannabis as food.

C.

beacheyes17 wrote: cary, I've noticed that you have a hangup over marijuana. there are other things to talk about.

Why does it matter what she chooses to talk about? Like she said, its a very important topic in her life. And it seems that there are enough people out here that are also interested in this topic also. (Whether or not they are responding). If its starting to get to you, then I would suggest avoiding her posts rather than asking her to avoid discussing a topic that influences her daily life. Like it or not, this is a BIG issue in the world.

GoinOn3in925 wrote:

mrscappy wrote:
ok....in my opinion the bible CAN'T be the LITERAL word of God because God did NOT write the bible lol. men did. think about it for a second...this is a fact: man wrote the bible...not god.

I cannot beleive you would honestly think that God would allow men to write their own thoughts and feeling down and then take responsibility for it. Why would God even allow those passages into the Bible in the first place if He did not agree with what was written? Are you saying you do not think of God as powerful enough to control HIS OWN WORD? Yes SEVERAL men wrote the books of the Bible, over SEVERAL years, but that DOES NOT, mean that it is any less true. That's satan in your ear telling you not to believe God 100%, Your putting your own twist on things to satisfy your own worldly pleasures.

God does not go around punishing people for EVERY little thing they do wrong. he didnt then and he doesnt now. you should know that as everyone does because people get away with lying under oath, murder, abusing their kids/wife, cheating on taxes, etc and although god does not condone these things it doesn't mean he is going to stop them from happening because they happen all the time. he gave people free will and they do what they want. man is not perfect. man wrote the bible. thats all im saying. your twisting what im saying around. god didn't sit down and edit the bible after man wrote it, at least i dont think so. it probably would have made a lot more sense to people if god did write it, dont you think? because God is supposed to be perfect and all powerful, all knowing etc...i do believe in god, your misunderstanding. i just dont see it the same way as you i guess. and i dont take the bible quite literally word for word. i think many of the passages in the bible are stories that help guide people through their days and teach them to be a better person, etc etc...im not bashing any of the stories...i just dont think they are all 100% accurate or that they all happened the way it was written. some i dont think happened at all actually, and are just their to serve as a teaching purpose.

how is someone writing an exaggerated passage in the bible and sticking it in there any different than all of those things i just mentioned? a lot of the people mentioned in the bible were ungodly and sinned a lot!! think about it....men killing their own brother, fathers sleeping with their daughters, husbands sleeping with their concubines if their wives could not have babies, etc. you have to admit, there were a lot of extreme things going on back then just as there are now. think about the corruption in the church today of how some priests sexually abuse little boys!!   if one of those men were to write a passage in the bible claiming that god spoke to him and told him things, i dont think i would be the only one who would question it. there is no autobiography for these authors. it just makes you wonder who these people were writing these passages lol. some of them make no sense at all.

"Are you saying you do not think of God as powerful enough to control HIS OWN WORD?"
god does not control his own word. he gives people free will to do and believe what they want. thats what hell and judgement day is for, isn't it? he wont control what people say, think, or write about him because we have free will. it has nothing to do with how powerful god is. if that was the case we would have a repeat performance of noah's ark or something...  

"Yes SEVERAL men wrote the books of the Bible, over SEVERAL years, but that DOES NOT, mean that it is any less true"
nor does it mean that is 100% true. you did not witness the events when they happened and then were written down several years later after being passed down through word of mouth.

"Your putting your own twist on things to satisfy your own worldly pleasures"
excuse me for having a different opinion than your own. and what worldy pleasures am i satisfying anyways by saying that i dont take the bible literally and defending my reasoning behind what i believe? no need to get bent out of shape over this. i already said i disagree with drug use and gluttony anyways. my parents are recovering alcoholics and my brother is a recovering drug addict. i dont approve of any of that stuff and dont use drugs myself. im sorry, but i can't help but agree with the poster that if you are going to take the bible literally then you cant cut and paste things from it what you want to believe and what you dont. but I like many people, DONT take the bible 100% literally. that was REALLY all i was saying, and explaining why i dont take it 100% literally by backing up my opinion.

beacheyes17 wrote: God tells us to drink in moderatino........he tells us that our bodies are the temple of Christ and not to ABUSE them (which I believe drug use and not drinking in moderation are considered abuse.) it's all about knowing your scripture, and the cross referencing of it. God gave us all these great things, and all this bountiful food, but he says gluttony is a sin. I take the bible for both its literal and metaphorical meaning. I believe you have to discern what is the literal, and what is the metaphorical.

When Jesus said,"remove first the plank from your eye before removing the splinter from your neighbor's" that's not literal, it's metaphorical for "hey, check your own sin before you correct your neighbor's"

Yeah I pretty much agree with you on this one. Also I want to say that christianity and believing in God is not just because of what the bible says or doesn't say. To me, it's about FAITH and believing in something that can't be seen. There are certain things that have happened in my life and other people's lives that I can't deny. I can't and won't ever deny god because the bible is "rife with inaccuracies and contradictions"