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Should families be allowed to have more than 10 children?

posted 26th Jul
This is the poll that can be found on the page: http://news.aol.ca/article/abbotsford-bc-couple-welcomes-18th-baby/291014/. The following is the article that can also be found at that address, I wanted to share it with everyone and ask the same question, to see what the general opinion was on babygaga. The leading answer on the page as of right now (Saturday @ 11:52am) was that Yes, families should be allowed to have more than 10 children. I am just wondering if, since that poll was given to the general public, would it be the same if it was strictly a poll for mothers, expectant mothers, mothers to angel babys, or those trying to become a mother!
Feel free to discuss the poll, give your opinion on it and the article, and talk about other families in this situation!
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Abbotsford, B.C., couple welcomes 18th baby
Source: CBC

Romanian immigrant Livia Ionce has given birth to a new record in British Columbia - she's the province's most prolific mother in 20 years.
Ionce and husband Alexandru became new parents of their 18th baby, Abigail, on Tuesday. The Abbotsford couple's 17 other children range in age from 20 months to 23 years old.
Abigail's arrival was a victory of sorts in an ongoing friendly family feud, the father told CBC News Friday.
"Before her, we had nine girls and eight boys and we like [it] to be [a] boy to be even," he said.
The girls in the house said they are happy they continue to outnumber the boys, but their 44-year-old mother said it may not be the end of the story.
"Maybe it's the last, but I'm not sure," Livia Ionce said.
Although she has a lot of experience, being a new mother is a hard job, she said, especially since "I'm not so young anymore."
The Ionce family has attracted media attention from around the world, Alexandru Ionce said.
"At first, I was very impressed," the father said. "But now, it starts to get tired [with] so many calls and so many interviews," he added with a laugh.

The Ionce Family, pictured before newest arrival was born.
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I'm TTC since October '08, have 1 child & live in Owen Sound, Ontario
posted 26th Jul
I don't think anyone should be able to say how many children a family can or cannot have. Regardless. I think families whould be intelligent in their decisions however, and not have more than they can aptly care for and afford. However, thats a call each couple should make, not someone else. I will say this tho, it takes a special kind of person to have THAT many kids!!  
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I have 3 kids & live in Haviland, Kansas
posted 26th Jul
Ha! Ha! I live next to Abbotsford! (But I hadn't heard about this story). Either way, as far as I'm concerned, if the family can support all the children financially and emotionally without help from the government (i.e. they are not on welfare), I think it's their choice.
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I have 1 child & live in Squamish, British Columbia
posted 26th Jul
I voted yes but I only feel that way if they have the means to support their children. Support as in love, money, patience, and they are taking care of their own kids they arent putting the responsibility onto their other children.
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I have 1 child & 2 angel babies & live in Oceanside, California
posted 26th Jul
No one should have the right to tell others they "aren't allowed" to have as many children as they want.
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I have 2 kids & live in Ohio
posted 26th Jul
Quoting Kieran's mama:“ I voted yes but I only feel that way if they have the means to support their children. Support as in ... [snip!] ... money, patience, and they are taking care of their own kids they arent putting the responsibility onto their other children.”
With that many kids, they have to be getting help from the older children at least. Hell, I ask my 8 yr old to help and I only have 3!! LOL But, I get what you are saying, not expecting the older ones to raise the little ones.
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I have 3 kids & live in Haviland, Kansas
posted 26th Jul
I think putting limits on how many kids people can have is ridiculous. Like lets say there's a limit of ten kids, so you accidentally end up pregnant with an 11th.. then what do you do abort it?? What if you want a big family. My grandma's family lived in the farming days and they had twelve children. They all helped out on the farm and whatnot. A few of them died of natural causes, and miscarriage was common.

How would they enforce such a law anyway? Also I know they do this in China where you are only allowed 1 child per family, and look what it's gotten them. People dump their girl babies in the streets because they only want a boy. Also not that many families now a days want to have more than 10 kids. This isn't as common, at least not around where I live. So why should anyone want to limit a person's family. It's beyond me.
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I have 1 child & 1 angel baby & live in Manitoba
posted 26th Jul
No, I do not believe they should be able to put a limit on how many children someone can have. That is an individuals (or a couple's) personal decision, and only they have the right to make that.
That being said, it IS unfortunate though that some people can have tons of children, and not be able to support them.

I do think that this woman needs to be on BG, and I bet she could teach us all a thing or two about parenting!! LOL.
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I'm TTC since October '08, have 1 child & live in Owen Sound, Ontario
posted 26th Jul
Quoting Vicky Lynn *EB/GIG*:“ With that many kids, they have to be getting help from the older children at least. Hell, I ask my 8 ... [snip!] ... 8 yr old to help and I only have 3!! LOL But, I get what you are saying, not expecting the older ones to raise the little ones.”

Right I understand helping out but I read an article where the older children pratically raise the youger ones. That just isnt fair in my opinion. Kids should be allowed to be kids they shouldnt have that much responsibility...they werent the ones having the babies.
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I have 1 child & 2 angel babies & live in Oceanside, California
posted 26th Jul
Quoting Kieran's mama:“ Right I understand helping out but I read an article where the older children pratically raise the youger ... [snip!] ... Kids should be allowed to be kids they shouldnt have that much responsibility...they werent the ones having the babies.”

That's a good point... It's like how some cultures raise kids on top of kids, to help out with their farm, those children don't have much of a chance to just be a kid. But then again, that may be more of the way of life with cultures like that, do you think it makes a difference?
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I'm TTC since October '08, have 1 child & live in Owen Sound, Ontario
posted 26th Jul
Quoting flesh.mechanic:“ That's a good point... It's like how some cultures raise kids on top of kids, to help out with their ... [snip!] ... just be a kid. But then again, that may be more of the way of life with cultures like that, do you think it makes a difference?”
I do. Learning responsability and how to be a good example as an older sibling is one thing, but sometimes it goes too far. Children should notraise children. They have no clue about what lessons should be taught and so on.
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I have 3 kids & live in Haviland, Kansas
posted 26th Jul
Quoting Vicky Lynn *EB/GIG*:“ I do. Learning responsability and how to be a good example as an older sibling is one thing, but sometimes ... [snip!] ... sometimes it goes too far. Children should notraise children. They have no clue about what lessons should be taught and so on.”


That's true, because trusting a child to do something like milk a cow is completely different then teaching a child how to raise a baby... It'll take an afternoon to learn how to milk a cow, but a good part of a lifetime to learn how to raise a child, and that's simply by living life for themselves...
In my opinion, anyways.  
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I'm TTC since October '08, have 1 child & live in Owen Sound, Ontario
posted 26th Jul
Quoting flesh.mechanic:“ That's true, because trusting a child to do something like milk a cow is completely different then ... [snip!] ... of a lifetime to learn how to raise a child, and that's simply by living life for themselves... In my opinion, anyways.  
Exactly... I want my kids to know how to do things for themselves, such as cooking and laundry, bc its practical, they NEED to know these things for later in life. I also want them to realise that their actions have an effect on toher ppls lives, and being a good influence and helping each other learn things is good for all involved, such as when I have the 8 yr old help his sister clean her room so she learns to put things away and such, but being a parent is something you need maturity for and kids flat out don't have that. Furthermore, it needs the ability to have long range knowledge of what you do now and what it will mean to your future and kids have tunnel vision. Tomorrow IS the future to them.
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I have 3 kids & live in Haviland, Kansas
posted 26th Jul
Quoting Vicky Lynn *EB/GIG*:“ Exactly... I want my kids to know how to do things for themselves, such as cooking and laundry, bc its ... [snip!] ... knowledge of what you do now and what it will mean to your future and kids have tunnel vision. Tomorrow IS the future to them.”


Okay, I do totally get what you're saying and I also agree, but I when I said "It's like how some cultures raise kids on top of kids, to help out with their farm" I was more leaning towards situations where the children *do not* play, and have a 'normal life' as a child. They start working full time hours, along side their mother or father, on the farm.
I'm just making sure you understood I meant that, and not normal "kids learning how to do things on their own" kind of thing, which I do completely agree with.
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I'm TTC since October '08, have 1 child & live in Owen Sound, Ontario
posted 26th Jul
Quoting flesh.mechanic:“ Okay, I do totally get what you're saying and I also agree, but I when I said "It's like how some ... [snip!] ... I meant that, and not normal "kids learning how to do things on their own" kind of thing, which I do completely agree with.”
Ok, gotchya now LOL I dunno... It was the norm back in the day. I think there is fine line. While I grew up in the "work hard" culture, we still had fun, it was just a different kind. After working in the fields and helping can veggies and so on, our fun was the evening hours before bed when we caught firflies or sneaking the veggies we harvested... Being a kid meant something entirely dif to us. It wasn;t having toys and going to the mall and playing on our bikes, it was the simple things. Sitting down to dinner as a family and reading books out loud. Getting your own calf to raise... That WAS being a kid and we didnt' know the difference to be honest. We kind of envied the "city" kids if you will (we were the country bums LOL) but they were so damn prissy we kind of hated them too. LOL They couldn't skin a buck or feed a calf and flipped out if they saw chickens being slaughtered. They couldn't hunt, or clean or gun and we thought THEY were deprived as opposed to the fact that they thought we had too hard of a life.
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I have 3 kids & live in Haviland, Kansas
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