re: The Pledge of Allegiance

Quoting Blissful Mama:“ I thought they took out the "under god" part awhile back.. because so many people were making a stink about it..”

Wtf? Where the hell have I been?

I haven't heard one thing about that ever.

Quoting ~*~HautéMama~*~ BISH!!:“ I smile now when I see your posts.. lil shit disturber, lol. But seriously, the "Under God" doesn't ... [snip!] ... problem with making the kids say the pledge.. I had to, they should be bothered with the same annoyance each morning too! lol..”

Hey, I am bored at work. I need the entertainment lol

Quoting Dev22:“ You are right, sory. I guess I shouldnt have said FORCED. But most kids DO recite it. It is part ... [snip!] ... say the pledge, you get touted as unpatriotic and it is said you dont love your country (like people tried to say about Obama)”

I never said it and no one said boo to me about it. I didn't feel left out either.

What's the big deal? Something else to complain about? Who gives a crap if they still say at in schools. Is it causing any harm to the children? Are they being mentally damaged by saying/not sayingthe pledge? No.

Quoting Cowgirl♥Up:“ Oh yes, they did. While I was still in high school actually.... so like 3-4 years ago I think.”

No, that woudl be a negative. The "Under God" is still in the pledge. Maybe they took it out in your specific school?

I did a whole debate speech on this last semester in college, so its def. still in there.

I can't find it!!! I know I posted somewhere on BG before about the history of the pledge...

"Under God" wasn't added until the 50s.

Quoting ms.luker:“ We are one nation under god. He created the earth and we are litterly under him on this earth!”

Um, not to a Hindu, a Buddist, an Athiest, an agnostic ect ect ect....

Quoting Cowgirl♥Up:“ I never said it and no one said boo to me about it. I didn't feel left out either. What's the big ... [snip!] ... say at in schools. Is it causing any harm to the children? Are they being mentally damaged by saying/not sayingthe pledge? No.”

Never said they were. That is why I used the term "Silly" in my OP. Just starting a discussion  

Quoting Dev22:“ No, that woudl be a negative. The "Under God" is still in the pledge. Maybe they took it out in your ... [snip!] ... it out in your specific school? I did a whole debate speech on this last semester in college, so its def. still in there.”

I have to agree.

I've been googling it since she said that and there's only articles on "should under god be removed" etc. If it was actually removed it would be a HUGE deal and all over the media.

Quoting Beth [due 12-25-08]:“ Wtf? Where the hell have I been? I haven't heard one thing about that ever.”

Idk.. I remember there was a bunch of crap about it on the news (a few years back). And I had thought they eventually said it would no longer be recited like that, it would now be "one nation, indivisible.."

But forgive me.. I have pregnant brain  

Quoting Cowgirl♥Up:“ I never said it and no one said boo to me about it. I didn't feel left out either. What's the big ... [snip!] ... say at in schools. Is it causing any harm to the children? Are they being mentally damaged by saying/not sayingthe pledge? No.”

I find it damaging to have a child blindly pledging their "allegiance" to something. If they don't understand what they're pledging to it's like we're trying to raise robots or something. If they want to say it when they get older and understand the meaning of pledging to your country etc then go for it. I know everyone's saying they didn't have to say it, but in all of my schools here we did.

I'm not at my house (at my mommy's!! yay!) so I'm not near my reference material...so I'm going off memory.

The original pledge of allegiance was short and sweet, never mentioned God.

The pledge has been revised 3 or so times over the centuries. The 50s is when "under God" was added b/c the Knights of Columbus (I think) decided that since this country was founded on the notion of God that it should be in our pledge too.

Quoting Dev22:“ Um, not to a Hindu, a Buddist, an Athiest, an agnostic ect ect ect....”

The Vedic faith system, is known to stretch back to around 3000 BCE. Over its lifetime, it has incorporated all sorts of prayer systems from fire-based rituals to philosophical musings. Prayer was part and parcel of the Vedic lifestyle, and as such permeated its books. Indeed, the highest sacred texts of the Hindus, the Vedas, are a large collection of mantras (sacred hymns of Hindus, later adopted by Buddhists) and prayer rituals extolling a single supreme force, Brahman, that is made manifest in several lower forms as the familiar gods of the Hindu pantheon. Hindus in India have numerous devotional movements. Stemming from the universal Soul Brahman prayer is focused on the personal forms of God, such Shiva, Vishnu, or Vishnu's avatars, Rama and Krishna.

Oh, and the original version of the pledge was really for a magazine contest...or it was a magazine article in a commerative issue of the Amer Rev...something like that...UGH. I'll post more later when I have my sources from home.

This is my Opinion everyone is entilted to their own opinion

Quoting Dev22:“ I honestly dont get it. Why do we make our kids say the pledge? Do they really believe that if a child ... [snip!] ... on when "Under God" was added: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Addition_of_the_words_.22under_God.22”

I think that Under God definately needs to be removed from the pledge and our money. We are obviously not one nation under god. We are one nation under freedom. It just does not have a great ring to it. Give me time I think that we will come up with something.

As far as saying the pledge I do not really see it as hurting or helping anything. I stopped saying it in the 10th grade but mostly because of the under god thing.