re: Nursing home policies

The facility didn't say anything about a DNR. That would make total sense if she did have a DNR. But the facility's policy is to not perform CPR at all, it doesn't specify wether it's for a resident with a dnr or not, just not to do it at all. Honestly, if there was a pateint in front of me that needed CPR or I knew they would die, I don't think I could just stand there and not do anything.

Quoting Colt's mommy:" The facility didn't say anything about a DNR. That would make total sense if she did have a DNR. But ... [snip!] ... a pateint in front of me that needed CPR or I knew they would die, I don't think I could just stand there and not do anything."

Right. That's an insane policy.

Quoting Colt's mommy:" The facility didn't say anything about a DNR. That would make total sense if she did have a DNR. But ... [snip!] ... a pateint in front of me that needed CPR or I knew they would die, I don't think I could just stand there and not do anything."

I feel the same. I don't know that I could just stand there watching someone... well, die.... without doing anything. To hell with "policy"!

Quoting Squeaky McGee [18 wks]:" Nurses don't take that, only physicians, but still. The only reason the nurse should not have performed ... [snip!] ... that I've worked as a nurse in both nursing homes and assisted living facilities and have never heard of such a policy. Absurd."

I've never heard of it either. I understand not picking up a resident if they fall and possibly broke a bone, but to not perform CPR when it may save their life? I couldn't work at a place like that.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Crazyhazel89:</b>" if she had one..why didn't she tell that to the 911 operator?"</blockquote>


Why don't you ask the nurse?
I wasn't there.

I was just saiyan.

From what I read it sounds like the nurse was just being professional.

form experience from working in nursing homes its against policy to do CPR by the nurses and staff incase of further injury (residents with fibromialgia or any other softening of the bones) we would have to call 911 immediately, get med list, and emergency papers

Quoting Mommy|Of2:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Crazyhazel89:</b>" if she had one..why didn't she tell that ... [snip!] ... ask the nurse? I wasn't there. I was just saiyan. From what I read it sounds like the nurse was just being professional."

agreed, no matter how inhumane it sounds to others if its the policy of the facility you have no other choice by to follow policy.

Quoting James' Mommy Anna [PSM]:" form experience from working in nursing homes its against policy to do CPR by the nurses and staff incase ... [snip!] ... fibromialgia or any other softening of the bones) we would have to call 911 immediately, get med list, and emergency papers"

Yeah, I've never heard of any policy like that. You're going to break ribs doing CPR either way, so what would it matter? The fact is this policy is stupid; that nurse should've been able to help that resident.

Most elderly women have osteoporosis; that's not a reason not to do CPR.

Quoting Squeaky McGee [18 wks]:" Yeah, I've never heard of any policy like that. You're going to break ribs doing CPR either way, so ... [snip!] ... either way, so what would it matter? The fact is this policy is stupid; that nurse should've been able to help that resident."

i agree, i got in the medical field to help people not kill them... we have to remember the nurses hands were tied because of the facility. If she were to try CPR and the resident were to incur further injury the facility could have been sued by family. In return i feel the facility was in all reality "saving their own ass"

Quoting Mommy|Of2:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Crazyhazel89:</b>" if she had one..why didn't she tell that ... [snip!] ... ask the nurse? I wasn't there. I was just saiyan. From what I read it sounds like the nurse was just being professional."

i wasn't really expecting you to answer that.....It was more of if she had a DNR she should have said that to the 911 operator.

Quoting Squeaky McGee [18 wks]:" Yeah, I've never heard of any policy like that. You're going to break ribs doing CPR either way, so ... [snip!] ... that nurse should've been able to help that resident. Most elderly women have osteoporosis; that's not a reason not to do CPR."

This! Most people would rather have broken ribs than be dead, no?

Quoting James' Mommy Anna [PSM]:" i agree, i got in the medical field to help people not kill them... we have to remember the nurses hands ... [snip!] ... injury the facility could have been sued by family. In return i feel the facility was in all reality "saving their own ass""

That's what it sounds like.

Quoting loser mom:" I feel the same. I don't know that I could just stand there watching someone... well, die.... without doing anything. To hell with "policy"!"

Just playing devil's advocate here, but unfortunately, we are a sue happy society and it shows in what we will or won't for another human being.

Why do you suppose that policy is in place? Does anyone know the story behind that?

Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" Just playing devil's advocate here, but unfortunately, we are a sue happy society and it shows in what ... [snip!] ... we will or won't for another human being. Why do you suppose that policy is in place? Does anyone know the story behind that?"

Sadly, that's very true.  

I think it's one of those situations where you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Colt's mommy:</b>" http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/03/elderly-woman-dies-after-nurse-refuses-to-give-her-cpr/ ... [snip!] ... said. Despite protocol being followed, the nursing home said it would launch an internal investigation into the matter.""</blockquote>




I understand policies, but as a human being, how can you not take immediate, direct action. Calling 911 is indirect action.