re: Rant on society

Quoting Crystallized:" I do agree with some aspects of your post. As far as the 50's go...I have a hard time finding any society ... [snip!] ... in line and respectful. It's not the era I'd ever want to be alive in...but I guess that's why we all have our own opinions. "

Again... lol. I said that I loved that society had evolved and that civil rights and women's rights were different now. I am strictly speaking of how children and people behaved then, within a family unit.

Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" Again... lol. I said that I loved that society had evolved and that civil rights and women's rights ... [snip!] ... and women's rights were different now. I am strictly speaking of how children and people behaved then, within a family unit."

I understand that. My point was more so to give my personal perspective on the 50's. Not to insinuate that you must have no problems with the things I mentioned.

Truthfully, I don't have much reverence for parents of past generations. Children were often more respectful because they weren't allowed an opinion, or a voice. The past generations in my family were often smacked, hit, or verbally abused for the smallest infractions. In my Parenting Psych course last semester, we learned that child abuse wasn't even taken as seriously until the 60's-early 70's. The whole "children should be seen not heard thing" was the way to go, and authoritarian parenting, which is usually highly discouraged by psychologists, was the way of life for most families. Now today, you see a lot of permissive parents who set little boundaries for children, which isn't any better.

The pendulum has swung from one extreme to the next. I prefer a middle ground. It's not hard for me to look back on past parenting and see exactly why kids are the way they are today.

Quoting Crystallized:" I understand that. My point was more so to give my personal perspective on the 50's. Not to insinuate ... [snip!] ... a middle ground. It's not hard for me to look back on past parenting and see exactly why kids are the way they are today."

You're right in a lot of that. I agree that it's gone from one extreme to another, and middle ground needs to be reached in parenting.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:</b>" You're right in a lot of that. I agree that it's gone from one extreme to another, and middle ground needs to be reached in parenting."</blockquote>




Absoulutely!

I thought about you earlier OP & that you may be the only other BGer I know that for sure remembers before the internet, before the TV had programming to watch 24/7...when the national anthem used to play & the TV went off....as in snow. When people used to still have party lines, and now each member of the family & sometimes the dog have their own phone they are glued to, checking texts.

While I think that technology can be wonderful, it has done as much to ruin families & social structure as anything else has. People are communicating via electronic more than in person these days. It is why I got off FB & why I have no cell. It drives people nuts though & almost find it funny what an inconvenience it has become for people to contact me the SAME way they have always done so. Sorry - but I take phone calls & face to face...or not at all. If you can't fit me in, I must not matter much. And no, I don't have time to look at every new pic or post you put up & comment or care. If you have real news to share I am sure you'll tell me or someone will fill me in.

From what I am hearing from younger women, men don't even call you anymore, or go on dates, they want to text & then hook up & that is that. I'd tell them to piss off, but I am not from that era.

I tease Dh that if people keep getting any more casual about their public attire our kids will likely expect not to have to shower for week & walk out the door in their underwear by the time they are teens. How much lower on the scale can we go in personal appearance? It's not good.  

Quoting justanothamotha:" I thought about you earlier OP & that you may be the only other BGer I know that for sure remembers ... [snip!] ... in their underwear by the time they are teens. How much lower on the scale can we go in personal appearance? It's not good.  "

I am a member of the 30+ group and remember what life was like before all this technology. I agree with you!!

Unfortunately, some if not most accountability is considered to be passing judgement, and telling people how to live. So most people would resist it anyways. I agree with you on it being too overly sexualized though!

<blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" I thought about you earlier OP & that you may be the only other BGer I know that for sure remembers ... [snip!] ... in their underwear by the time they are teens. How much lower on the scale can we go in personal appearance? It's not good.  "</blockquote>




i agree with most things you say expect for the cell phone and texting part..with me i have a very bad stutter and rarely do i talk to people on the phone for a normal person a converstation might take place in 10 mins for me its double that to say the same things...so i do like texting better.. what i want to know is what happened to guys being romantic and gentlemen and not cause they want sex in the end...i asked my DH and he says its cause women wanted equal rights so men figured why anymore..and what happened to people not getting everything handed to them on a sliver plate and working for what they get and working hard..imo benifits like hud,food stamps,ect should have a limited amount of time to get them then your ass better find a job..and if you do have a job but it sucks and your still getting help hey thats fine cause your trying but please dont get help have no job but yet drive around in $30,000 cars..it looks bad plus it makes some people think your a drug dealer...and im not saying all drug dealers are bad most due it to support there familes i mean its sad when you can buy $500 in weed and if you do it right sell it for $1000 with in a week or 2 and do it all over again making $500 profet..while are factory or any worker might not see $500 in a week working 40 hrs a week missing there kids supper,school activites but if you deal you can work from home and you set your own hours im sorry but to me thats messed up...oh another thing people on disability who shouldnt be on people who cant read give me a break learn..people who have add or adhd you can work around it...oh and drugies...i think some people shouldnt get it cause when people really do need it there turned down..ok done with my rant lol

Quoting The Blissful Six:" I am a member of the 30+ group and remember what life was like before all this technology. I agree with you!!"

Yeah, I'm in that club too. lol. We had one house phone and didn't even have call waiting or any of that nifty stuff! lol

Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" Yeah, I'm in that club too. lol. We had one house phone and didn't even have call waiting or any of that nifty stuff! lol"

Yep 1 house phone & you couldn't call long distance until after 7pm when the rates went down. LOL One TV. We never had cable, but I do recall MTV used to actually play music videos and cable programming didn't have any commercials. It was awesome. I don't know WTH MTV is even about now & the commercials are just as prevalent whether you pay for cable/satellite or use rabbit ears... Now that I have kdis we ar eback to no cable or satellite & I understand my mom's idea on that MUCH more than I did then.

Quoting justanothamotha:" Yep 1 house phone & you couldn't call long distance until after 7pm when the rates went down. LOL ... [snip!] ... Now that I have kdis we ar eback to no cable or satellite & I understand my mom's idea on that MUCH more than I did then."

Yeah it's terrible how attached our society has become to electronic devices.

Quoting Crystallized:" I understand that. My point was more so to give my personal perspective on the 50's. Not to insinuate ... [snip!] ... a middle ground. It's not hard for me to look back on past parenting and see exactly why kids are the way they are today."

I agree about past punitive parenting being the reason for what some people like to call 'respectful children'. Punitive and permissive parenting are both extremes, but they are on the same continuum, still based on out dated behaviourism and the middle is still detrimental. I have hope for the future because there is such strong research showing the harm of control based parenting (reward the good, ignore the bad) and i can see this filtering through to more professionals and to parents. More parents are learning about this and getting off this continuum entirely. For that i would never want to go back in time, the last 70 yrs of research has been so valuable and i think the positive changes that are coming from it are great. Just a shame it's taking so long to happen, but i hope the 'niche' becomes mainstream parenting in a time not too far off from now.