Quoting Viv, Ev & Gwen ♥:" I believe sexual orientation should be federally protected the same as gender, race, and religion are, soooo no I don't believe he was right nor was he within his rights."

lol sorry but that made no sense how can you say religion is federally protected and gay marriage should be then say he is not in the right by denying making her a cake? For in your words being that religion is federally protected he should be well within his rights not to serve her just like if being gay was federally protected she would deserve a cake.

The question is why does one trump the other and how do we make it fair for everyone from all sides without putting one before the other?

<blockquote><b>Quoting Mylittleone's (B.B.M):</b>" lol sorry but that made no sense how can you say religion is federally protected and gay marriage ... [snip!] ... is why does one trump the other and how do we make it fair for everyone from all sides without putting one before the other?"</blockquote>



Keeping him from descriminating against someone doesn't violate his religious freedom.

You're not allowed to kill someone just because you worship a god that demands human sacrifice.

Quoting Viv, Ev & Gwen ♥:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Mylittleone's (B.B.M):</b>" lol sorry but that made no ... [snip!] ... his religious freedom. You're not allowed to kill someone just because you worship a god that demands human sacrifice."

It does to some religions in most Christian faiths being gay or helping someone who is gay is going directly against the bible which means they will burn in hell for the rest of eternity after they pass and in biblical days they would be stoned to death so yes certain people who follow the old ways this would go against their religious freedoms and I still don't think any group should have more say than the other for that is what causes discrimination in the first place the woman could have gone to a different cake store.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Mylittleone's (B.B.M):</b>" It does to some religions in most Christian faiths being gay or helping someone who is gay is going ... [snip!] ... than the other for that is what causes discrimination in the first place the woman could have gone to a different cake store."</blockquote>


I don't think you understand what religious freedom means.

You're only allowed rights /until the point when they infringe on another's rights/. Making businesses treat everyone equally is not denying them their religious freedom. It's not making them any less Christian. It's regulating a BUSINESS which has no right being dictated by personal morals.

Well, he said he had nothing agains gays but that because of his religious beliefs he refuses to sell a cake for a gay wedding. I don't see how that is descriminating.

Its a private business, he is within his rights to deny or accept their business. I personally think its stupid since he not only is going to be subject to negative press, but also is losing out on financials and closing himself and his business off to further business because in those situations a lot of referrals are done by word of mouth. But then its his choice. I don't think it is for anyone to say whether its "right" or "wrong" but more to the point of if we lived in the area would we opt to get a cake from his bakery or go to another bakery. So, I can't say its wrong per say.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Heeeeeey, Sexy lady. ;):</b>" Well, he said he had nothing agains gays but that because of his religious beliefs he refuses to sell a cake for a gay wedding. I don't see how that is descriminating."</blockquote>



The same way it would be to refuse to sell a cake to a black person.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Viv, Ev & Gwen ♥:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Heeeeeey, Sexy lady. ;):</b>" Well, he said he had nothing agains ... [snip!] ... see how that is descriminating."</blockquote> The same way it would be to refuse to sell a cake to a black person."</blockquote>




No, I think it would be more like refusing to sell a cake for a black panther celebration the baker may have nothing against the black individual, just the celebration. He may do the same if a white man requested a cake for a KKK celebration. In this case the baker may have no problem with the gay individual, but can't support the celebration because of religious beliefs.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Kaleighshaleigh:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Viv, Ev & Gwen ♥:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ... [snip!] ... case the baker may have no problem with the gay individual, but can't support the celebration because of religious beliefs."</blockquote>




It doesn't matter subtle language you use to try and justify it. He wouldn't sell it to them because they're gay. That's illegal. As it should be.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Viv, Ev & Gwen ♥:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Kaleighshaleigh:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Viv, ... [snip!] ... language you use to try and justify it. He wouldn't sell it to them because they're gay. That's illegal. As it should be."</blockquote>




Again, not serving an individual and refusing to cater a specific event are two very different things.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Kaleighshaleigh:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Viv, Ev & Gwen ♥:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ... [snip!] ... case the baker may have no problem with the gay individual, but can't support the celebration because of religious beliefs."</blockquote>




Ok, using your same example, let's say that he will not sell the cake to the black panthers but will sell the cake to the KKK for the same type of celebration. That's discrimination. See what I'm getting at?

Now, if someone asked him to paint a pentagram or an Om symbol, that he can deny. But completely denying a service to only one group that you'd perform for another can fall under discrimination laws.

Quoting 8 til Gwen:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Kaleighshaleigh:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Viv, ... [snip!] ... language you use to try and justify it. He wouldn't sell it to them because they're gay. That's illegal. As it should be."

it's not illegal if it was a private bakery, he has his rights.

Quoting ♥ inês:" it's not illegal if it was a private bakery, he has his rights."

if it wasn't illegal, he wouldn't be under investigation right now

<blockquote><b>Quoting Taryn - Anya's mommy:</b>" if it wasn't illegal, he wouldn't be under investigation right now"</blockquote>




I guess we will have to see what the results of the investigation are, hmmm?