|He is right|
|He is wrong|
Quoting Mara:" also, maybe i know nothing about these laws - i'm just spouting what i've heard in D&D on this issues before. perhaps he IS discriminating and it's against the law? "As a previous business owner myself, I think that if that state does protect homosexuality from discrimination (and it seems Oregon does) that he isn't legally within his rights. I know for sure we would have had no legal standing to deny service to anyone based on race, gender or religion & would have been open to lawsuit....so since Oregon protects homosexuality in with those other categories, I don't actually think he has that right in his state.
Quoting Mylittleone's (B.B.M):" I am familiar with them I also know she has no case for he would serve her a cake for any other event ... [snip!] ... him through the mud as much as she wants would could work against her for he could counter sue for declamation of character :-)"I guess we will all have to wait & see where the courts end up falling on this one as I do not think it is as absolute as you do & I am very curious to see what the findings will be. I think the fact that he won't make her a wedding cake specifically makes it more obvious that it is discrimination.
Quoting TheNuge:" From a legal standpoint, you may be right UNLESS the courts believe that moral or religious objection ... [snip!] ... BTW, i cant stand our "protected classes" system any more. It has gone too far. In some areas it makes sense but not in others."Clergy fall under separation of church & state - even in the area of services they provide. A JOP falls under the jurisdiction of the state in regards to discrimination, so they can deny ONE couple they do not want to marry in particular, but they can't have a "no interfaith" (or no interracial or whatever) marriage policy. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/15/interracial-couple-denied_n_322784.html
Quoting Bangtail:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Mylittleone's (B.B.M):</b>" I am familiar with them I also ... [snip!] ... religious beliefs focus on what services are offered, not who those services are offered to. There is a very big difference."
Quoting Mylittleone's (B.B.M):" For business law it said specifically that a business owner would have to refuse all services to a ... [snip!] ... the book is pretty straight forward on this and so were my teachers who just used this in our on-line discussion assignment."OR maybe he didn't know she was a lesbian before now so he didn't get a chance to turn her down before. It's not like I discuss my sexual orientation with my cookie maker. So is he saying he will bake cookies for the lesbian support group meetings?
Quoting ♥ inÍs:" is he a douchebag? most likely. can he do this? sure. So there's nothing to discuss here. His bakery, his choices."Thanks for showing up 6 pages in & informing us there is nothing to discuss.
Quoting justanothamotha:" Thanks for showing up 6 pages in & informing us there is nothing to discuss. He is being ... [snip!] ... out & save them some time & money. ;) http://www.kmvt.com/news/regional/OR-Bakery-Under-Investigation-189537681.html"
Quoting TheNuge:" The protected class issue is so aggravating to me. A business owner should be able to detainee who/what ... [snip!] ... barbecue. I hope the bakery owner wins the case. No couple should be able to win a lawsuit as someone objects to their union."
Quoting ♥ inÍs:" HIS bakery, HIS choices. Is it wrong? Yes, it is.. But he gets to choose, it's not like he harmed anyone. ... [snip!] ... aren't always going to respect us for what we are, so let's just move on. There are cases of greater importance to deal with."I would be willing to bet he is shut down because of this
Quoting TheNuge:" The protected class issue is so aggravating to me. A business owner should be able to determine who/what ... [snip!] ... barbecue. I hope the bakery owner wins the case. No couple should be able to win a lawsuit if someone objects to their union."Making a cake for a wedding is not participating in the wedding. I have made wedding cakes, I have helped arrange flowers, I have done lots of things over the years to help people get things together for their wedding. It is a service if you are being paid for it - not an invitation to participate or any symbolic measure of giving it your blessing. People who make wedding dresses aren't saying the person wearing it should get married or that they have picked a good partner or that you even have to be a virgin to wear white. They are dress makers. Same with cake makers. I can't see how it is different to order a cake for your wedding or for your anniversary or for a birthday other than the size & detail & price of the cake. I am not asking someone to participate in my birthday when I order a birthday cake from them & to claim otherwise is an enormous stretch.