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re: Smurf You MLP

posted 1st Feb
Lollll first world problems, you gotta love it <3

I am sorry you are going through this. I hate when shows are messed up. Im still sad Opi died on SOA!
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I live in Florida
posted 1st Feb
Quoting The Andromeda Strain:" It's not the title itself, I've never had an issue with Celestia being a princess instead of a queen ... [snip!] ... just pandering to what little girls are supposed to like and that is the exact opposite of what this show started out to do."

i've always had a feeling she would become something special or even take princess celestia's place in the end.

twlight sparkle is awesome and my daughter favourite pony ( actually she goes back and forth between twilight and rainbow dash lol) I really hope they don't actually do this and make her all frilly-like.
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I have 2 kids & live in Ontario
posted 1st Feb
Twilight is not getting crowned.
Princess Cadence and Shining Armor are having a baby
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I'm due January 21st, have 1 child & 2 angel babies & live in North Carolina
posted 1st Feb
Quoting Captain Obvious:" OP your heart is broken because a smurfing cartoon pony wears a dress and a crown now? seriously? broken hearted?"

If you want to put it that black and white, then you can.

I am broken hearted because there was finally a show marketed for girls that wasn't overtly girly. They dealt with problems that children go through every day, and gave really great advice. Now they're taking the main character and turning her into a princess because that's what girls are supposed to want.
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I have 1 child & 2 angel babies & live in Blytheville, Arkansas
posted 1st Feb
It could just be for one episode and she ditches the dress afterwards.... You never know. Don't give up hope yet!
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I'm TTC since January '13, have 2 angel babies & live in California
posted 1st Feb
I think you need to watch more adult programing....
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I'm due August 8th (a boy), have 1 child & live in North Carolina
posted 1st Feb
Quoting The Andromeda Strain:" If you want to put it that black and white, then you can. I am broken hearted because there was finally ... [snip!] ... advice. Now they're taking the main character and turning her into a princess because that's what girls are supposed to want. "


I mean... maybe it's because I don't watch it...

But "marketed to girls" pretty much always means the same thing to me. Gender divides are pretty clear, and just seeing pictures of MLP screams girly-girl to me. And, don't get me wrong... my anti-gender-stereotypes got me a daughter that's obsessed with pink princess dresses. But... on the other hand... she begs me to watch Star Wars with her. *shrug* So.... yeah... pink frilly dresses, it sucks that that's what girls are "made to want". But I don't think MLP, crown or not, is fighting against any gender stereotypes. But maybe I need to watch it to understand? haha
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I'm due September 11th (a boy), have 1 child & live in Syracuse, New York
posted 1st Feb
Quoting Captain Obvious:" OP your heart is broken because a smurfing cartoon pony wears a dress and a crown now? seriously? broken hearted?"


Hey, It broke my heart at the end of the Little Mermaid when Ariel was turned back into human. I didn't understand it. I was like thinking, "Dude, if I was Eric, I'd be like... Um no, I 'd rather be a Merman!"

 
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I have 2 kids & 1 angel baby & live in New Mexico
posted 1st Feb
Quoting The Dandelion Rapist:" Hey, It broke my heart at the end of the Little Mermaid when Ariel was turned back into human. I didn't ... [snip!] ... I didn't understand it. I was like thinking, "Dude, if I was Eric, I'd be like... Um no, I 'd rather be a Merman!"  "


But... fish sex is no fun.... you don't even bump uglies!



:lol Sorry, I had to.
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I'm due September 11th (a boy), have 1 child & live in Syracuse, New York
posted 1st Feb
I know everyone is laughing at me and thinks I'm being ridiculous, but this shows message and everything it sought out to do was just so important to me. If anyone cares to take the time to read this, it may give some insight as to why I'm upset by this. I realize it's unimportant, but it still makes me sad that all of this hard work was undone. =/

From Lauren Faust, longtime animator and creator of MLP: FIM


I have been a lifelong feminist, and as an artist working in the animation industry for more than 16 years I have striven to do right by women and girls in the animated projects I have been part of. I try to bring sincerity and depth to the female characters I’ve animated and have fought in development and story meetings to make female characters more than just the typical girlfriend, Mom or sex symbol. I’ve even fought to see that there was more than just one girl character in whatever project I was working on. Sometimes I swayed my coworkers (often it was easy, to their credit) and sometimes I lost. My goal, as an artist and as a storyteller, was to one day have a show of my own for and about girls.
After years and years of pitching original animation for girls to studios and networks and always hearing “This is great, but animated shows for girls don’t get ratings,” or “Girls don’t watch cartoons,” I finally got the opportunity to have my own show. It’s called My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.
I was extremely skeptical at first about taking the job. Shows based on girls’ toys always left a bad taste in my mouth, even when I was a child. They did not reflect the way I played with my toys. I assigned my ponies and my Strawberry Shortcake dolls distinctive personalities and sent them on epic adventures to save the world. On TV, though, I couldn’t tell one girl character from another and they just had endless tea parties, giggled over nothing and defeated villains by either sharing with them or crying–which miraculously inspired the villain to turn nice. Even to my 7-year-old self, these shows made no sense and couldn’t keep my interest. No wonder the boys at school laughed at my Rainbow Unicorn Trapper Keeper.
From what I’ve seen since I’ve grown up, little has changed. To look at the quality of most girls’ cartoons, it would seem that not one artist really cared about them. Not one designer, not one background painter, not one animator. Some of the more well-meaning, more expensive animated productions for girl audiences may look better, but the female characters have been so homogenized with old-fashioned “niceness” that they have no flaws and are unrelatable. They are so pretty, polite and perfect; there is no legitimate conflict and nothing exciting ever happens. In short, animated shows for little girls come across as boring. Stupid. Lame.
This perception, more than anything, is what I am trying to change with My Little Pony.



The messages I’m really trying to get across with the show are these:
  • There are lots of different ways to be a girl. You can be sweet and shy, or bold and physical. You can be silly and friendly, or reserved and studious. You can be strong and hard working, or artistic and beautiful. This show is wonderfully free of “token girl” syndrome, so there is no pressure to shove all the ideals of what we want our daughters to be into one package. There is a diversity of personalities, ambitions, talents, strengths and even flaws in our characters–it’s not an army of cookie-cutter nice-girls or cookie-cutter beauty queens like you see in most shows for girls.
  • Find out what makes you you. Follow your passions and ambitions, not what others expect of you. For instance, if you like sports don’t let someone’s suggestion that that is unfeminine stop you from doing what you love. Be considerate of others’ feelings, but not at the expense of your own goals and dreams.
  • You can be friends with people who are vastly different from you. And even though all friendships have their share of disagreements and moments when you don’t get along, that does not mean that your friendship has to end.
  • Cartoons for girls don’t have to be a puddle of smooshy, cutesy-wootsy, goody-two-shoeness. Girls like stories with real conflict; girls are smart enough to understand complex plots; girls aren’t as easily frightened as everyone seems to think. Girls are complex human beings, and they can be brave, strong, kind and independent–but they can also be uncertain, awkward, silly, arrogant or stubborn. They shouldn’t have to succumb to pressure to be perfect.

Yes, My Little Pony is riddled with pink, the leader is a Princess instead of a Queen and there probably aren’t enough boys around to portray a realistic society. These decisions were not entirely up to me. It has been a challenge to balance my personal ideals with my bosses’ needs for toy sales and good ratings. I do my best to incorporate their needs in an acceptable way, so when we are asked to portray a certain toy or playset, my team and I work to put it in a place that makes sense within the story. There is also a need to incorporate fashion play into the show, but only one character is interested in it and she is not a trend follower but a designer who sells her own creations from her own store. We portray her not as a shopaholic but as an artist.
I never expected to work on a show based on a toy line, but I accepted the project based on my sincere childhood love of the toy and Hasbro’s desire to create an entertaining show that is not just a long toy commercial. When I took the job, I braced myself for criticism, expecting many people–without even watching the show–to instantly label it girly, stupid, cheap, for babies or an evil corporate commercial. I encourage skeptics like this to watch My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic with an open mind. If I’m doing my job right, I think you’ll be surprised.
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I have 1 child & 2 angel babies & live in Blytheville, Arkansas
posted 1st Feb
Quoting The Andromeda Strain:" It's just frustrating. I can't expect people to understand why this show has such an older fan-base, ... [snip!] ... cut most of the major starters from the show and the creator is out of it and they're just jacking it all up. Blehhh. /rant"

I understand. You should have heard my ranting and raving when Wolverine and the X-Men did their messed up version of the Phoenix Saga. I was PISSED. >.> I'm a BIG comic book fan, and I hate that story line getting butchered. Hell I hated X-men The Last Stand, because of how they butchered the story...

But yeah. I love me some cartoons too, so I get what you're saying!
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I'm TTC since April '13, have 1 child & live in Virginia
posted 1st Feb
Quoting The Doctor:" But... fish sex is no fun.... you don't even bump uglies! :lol Sorry, I had to."


OMG!!    

Yea, but you gotta admit. It would be awesomely amazing to be able to spend a day under water swimming fast, and being able to breath. (Hahaha I was always a day dreamer when I was a kid... Can you tell?) I wonder how Mermaids would even breed?

It kinda makes me think of that one episode of Family Guy when Stewie finally kills Lois, and a merman saves her. But the merman had legs and his upper body was the fish part.
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I have 2 kids & 1 angel baby & live in New Mexico
posted 1st Feb
Quoting LeTs*StArT*a*RiOt!:" I understand. You should have heard my ranting and raving when Wolverine and the X-Men did their messed ... [snip!] ... Last Stand, because of how they butchered the story... But yeah. I love me some cartoons too, so I get what you're saying!"

Yeah, but it's okay for adults to be into comic books moreso now...at least more than MLP. =/

Btw I heard that Wolverine and the X-Men is pretty horrid on it's own.   Haha.
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I have 1 child & 2 angel babies & live in Blytheville, Arkansas
posted 1st Feb
Quoting The Andromeda Strain:" I know everyone is laughing at me and thinks I'm being ridiculous, but this shows message and everything ... [snip!] ... this to watch My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic with an open mind. If I’m doing my job right, I think you’ll be surprised."


No, I'm not laughing at you, at all. I completely understand why you're so upset, but at the same time: it's a TV show that's aimed at girls, and (just as Faust said) still has to maintain ratings, even from the beginning.

It's just my belief that if you have your child watching shows that are mass-marketed-- this is going to happen. That's what they're about, so I just don't understand the shock behind it, KWIM? I expect that when I turn on the TV and let my daughter watch shows aimed at girls. I just try and balance that out with other smurf (including books!) that do not try and get her to think "girly-pink-frills-WOO-that's-all-I-am"!

But when I turn on a Disney movie or a ("girl") TV show-- I know that's what she's seeing, and probably getting from it.

I know Faust probably had the best intentions, but in the end-- it's a show there to make money from parents of girls (many of whom DO push the gender stereotypes).
quotesmurfs?
I'm due September 11th (a boy), have 1 child & live in Syracuse, New York
posted 1st Feb
I blame Hasbro, all the way.
I think Robbie is more pissed than I am, though.

Really hoping it's temporary and they're using it to introduce that one toy as a character; Princess Skylar or whatever.
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I have 1 child & 1 angel baby & live in Pearl City, Hawaii
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