re: Restrained toddler gets tattooed - D&D

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" It's not about only the pain. It's about performing surgery on someone's body without their consent. ... [snip!] ... without their consent. It's a violation of their rights to their own body. And putting a newborn out is extremely dangerous."</blockquote>




so just give them surgery cause with out any thing cause babies dont feel pain right..so your telling me if you had a baby right now that had to be taken away 2 mins after being born cause there was something wrong with the heart where they had to do surgery you wouldnt put the baby out to not feel the pain

Quoting Alicia Holz:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" It's not about only the pain. It's about ... [snip!] ... cause there was something wrong with the heart where they had to do surgery you wouldnt put the baby out to not feel the pain"

There's a major different in life saving heart surgery and a cosmetic procedure on a newborn baby. Their are deaths every year from circumcision and general anesthesia on those tiny babies, a lot of people would avoid that at all costs rather than pay for it to be done.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Mama*AtoZ:</b>" There's a major different in life saving heart surgery and a cosmetic procedure on a newborn baby. Their ... [snip!] ... and general anesthesia on those tiny babies, a lot of people would avoid that at all costs rather than pay for it to be done."</blockquote>



so true somethings i wont understand..like getting a baby girls ear pierced,breastfeeding after the age of two,and pacis after the age of two..i guess for the ears why i know its cute but baby girls are cute with out them..for the breastfeeding its ouch those teeth have to hurt and when a kid starts asking for boobs its time to stop..and for the pacis there are so many bad things it can do to teeth and ltalking

Quoting Alicia Holz:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" It's not about only the pain. It's about ... [snip!] ... cause there was something wrong with the heart where they had to do surgery you wouldnt put the baby out to not feel the pain"

What are you talking about?

I'm talking about circumcision in response to your post.
I wouldn't sign up for it at all.

And I would only have them put my child under for life saving procedures, not cosmetic ones.

Quoting Mama*AtoZ:" There's a major different in life saving heart surgery and a cosmetic procedure on a newborn baby. Their ... [snip!] ... and general anesthesia on those tiny babies, a lot of people would avoid that at all costs rather than pay for it to be done."

  

Quoting Alicia Holz:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Mama*AtoZ:</b>" There's a major different in life saving heart ... [snip!] ... a kid starts asking for boobs its time to stop..and for the pacis there are so many bad things it can do to teeth and ltalking"

There's nothing wrong with breastfeeding after two. As long as mom and child are comfortable with it.
Ear piercing is definitely not more okay than breastfeeding past two.
And eh, I really have no opinion on pacis, they weren't used much around here.

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" What are you talking about? I'm talking about circumcision in response to your post. I wouldn't sign ... [snip!] ... I wouldn't sign up for it at all. And I would only have them put my child under for life saving procedures, not cosmetic ones."</blockquote>




Agree, there is a massive difference between a medical procedure and a cosmetic one. Circumcision is a cosmetic one, nothing more. They have got to inform you the procedure is nothing more than a cosmetic procedure prior to doing it yet some Mothers are quite happy to put their newborn through it.

Quoting ~Ice Princess~:" What are you talking about? I'm talking about circumcision in response to your post. I wouldn't sign ... [snip!] ... I wouldn't sign up for it at all. And I would only have them put my child under for life saving procedures, not cosmetic ones."

That's what i was trying to say. She lost me on the BF stuff.

<blockquote><b>Quoting xTJ:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" What are you talking about? I'm talking ... [snip!] ... is nothing more than a cosmetic procedure prior to doing it yet some Mothers are quite happy to put their newborn through it."</blockquote>



see we were never told that just the health benifets

<blockquote><b>Quoting Alicia Holz:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting xTJ:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" ... [snip!] ... are quite happy to put their newborn through it."</blockquote> see we were never told that just the health benifets"</blockquote>




There are no real benefits though (circumcision). That's why you should always, always research what they tell you.

WTF?  

Quoting Alicia Holz:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" It's not about only the pain. It's about ... [snip!] ... cause there was something wrong with the heart where they had to do surgery you wouldnt put the baby out to not feel the pain"

I think if you requested your child's medical records you would find your newborn was not "put under". They don't do that for circ in babies that young, ever. That is reserved for later circs because the risks of putting a newborn under anesthesia for en elective procedure is not something any qualified Dr would agree to. In the most aggressive of pain controls for newborns they apply emla cream & then do a penile nerve block. A baby sleeping heavily upon return is typical & often related to what is called the shutdown reflex & happens when pain or trauma is too severe. It is not associated with a newborn undergoing being "put under", except by their own psyche. You can watch it actually happen in this video - you can see the baby stops crying, but is clearly still panting & struggling:
Be prepared to see a circ though & one with no pain pain meds where the baby stops screaming mid scream & starts shutting down.

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Alicia Holz:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting xTJ:</b>" ... [snip!] ... There are no real benefits though (circumcision). That's why you should always, always research what they tell you."</blockquote>




i think its one of those things you either are for it or your not

<blockquote><b>Quoting Alicia Holz:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting xTJ:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" ... [snip!] ... are quite happy to put their newborn through it."</blockquote> see we were never told that just the health benifets"</blockquote>




So you say it wasn't made clear to you that it is a cosmetic procedure only when it should have been and by the comments he either lied about putting your child under or put him under for a cosmetic procedure which really isn't allowed? Wow sounds like you were really misled.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Alicia Holz:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Alicia ... [snip!] ... always research what they tell you."</blockquote> i think its one of those things you either are for it or your not"</blockquote>


When it comes to procedures that are performed on my newborn child I wouldn't be just blindly for or against it I'd want to know everything about it.