<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:</b>" You believe there is "lack of understanding" because you don't believe what the Bible says. Opinions will differ on this subject, according to what one believes to be true."</blockquote>



That is not necessarily true. Though it only stands to reason that our bible is not complete. There are many things we know to be true that are not in it. On that same note, there are many commands in there that Christians nowadays don't believe they are to follow. The bible is still my most holy book; it is not my only source of information or guidelines.

Quoting Lucid Dreamer:" No one ever decides to live a homosexual life anymore than anyone decides to live a hetero one. You are born either hetero or homosexual."

Like I said, agree to disagree. I don't feel like a nasty argument right now.

Quoting Bangtail:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:</b>" You believe there is "lack of understanding" ... [snip!] ... don't believe they are to follow. The bible is still my most holy book; it is not my only source of information or guidelines."

Revelation 22:18

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:


You cannot add or take away from anything in the Bible. The Bible is God's ONLY word. Everything else is simply commentary.

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:</b>" Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, ... [snip!] ... You cannot add or take away from anything in the Bible. The Bible is God's ONLY word. Everything else is simply commentary."</blockquote>


Do you know how many versions of it there are? The catholic bible has seven book that the KJV does not. The entire New Testament is built upon the holy book of the Jews. There are things which are not explained in the bible. I'm not saying its a false book by ANY means. I'm saying that questioning interpretations of scripture and acknowledging that not all is covered does not mean you don't believe.

Quoting Lady GooGoo™:" Like I said, agree to disagree. I don't feel like a nasty argument right now."

Don't get me wrong. I don't ever like nasty arguments. I was just trying to have a good debate with you. I really like you despite our different beliefs.

Quoting Lucid Dreamer:" Don't get me wrong. I don't ever like nasty arguments. I was just trying to have a good debate with you. I really like you despite our different beliefs."

I like you too, that's why I'm avoiding letting this turning ugly, lol  

Quoting Bangtail:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:</b>" Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto ... [snip!] ... saying that questioning interpretations of scripture and acknowledging that not all is covered does not mean you don't believe."

I believe the KJV to be a complete work.

If I don't believe in what I'm reading, then I am guessing at what TO believe.

Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" You believe there is "lack of understanding" because you don't believe what the Bible says. Opinions will differ on this subject, according to what one believes to be true."

It is more than that. I believe the people in the biblical days were less evolved and would never understand the things we do today. We can't forget this is going back atleast 2000 years. Only 50 years ago it was medically believed that homosexuality was a personality disorder. Whatever was written in those days were based on the curent understandings of those time which were primitive. Stoning people to death was considered just punishment in the old testament but today we understand as inhumanely cruel and unusual punishment.

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:</b>" I believe the KJV to be a complete work. If I don't believe in what I'm reading, then I am guessing at what TO believe."</blockquote>



So Catholics are wrong?

Quoting Lucid Dreamer:" It is more than that. I believe the people in the biblical days were less evolved and would never understand ... [snip!] ... death was considered just punishment in the old testament but today we understand as inhumanely cruel and unusual punishment."

Yes, it was considered "just punishment:.

Times change, sure. We "evolve", mentally, I suppose (in some ways), but salvation issues are salvation issues. NONE of that changes in the Bible. Anyone that tells an unrepentant sinner (homosexuals, sexually promiscuous, liars, thieves, drunks and the like) that what they are doing is "perfectly fine" because we, as a society have gone directly against what the Bible teaches, as far as teaching these things as sin, is misguiding truthseekers.

The bible teaches that sins are sins (there ARE a few that God especially hates), but the Bible ALSO teaches that one MUST REPENT in order to be forgiven of them. ASK and REPENT. The only people who argue against this, are people that don't believe what they've read in the Bible.

Quoting Bangtail:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:</b>" I believe the KJV to be a complete ... [snip!] ... If I don't believe in what I'm reading, then I am guessing at what TO believe."</blockquote> So Catholics are wrong?"

If they believe that these books are actually part of the Bible, yes.

I don't believe in the Gnostic gospels either. I think they are wrong as well. If I didn't think that anything other than Christianity and the Bible, standing alone, was wrong, I'd be a Buddhist/Muslim/J.W./Hindu...take your pick...but I'm not. I am a Bible believing Christian and I do NOT think it is open to interpretation as far as salvation is concerned.

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:</b>" If they believe that these books are actually part of the Bible, yes. I don't believe in the Gnstic ... [snip!] ... I'm not. I am a Bible believing Christian and I do NOT think it is open to interpretation as far as salvation is concerned."</blockquote>



Hmmmm... Well that's all fine and dandy but I find it very hard to believe that Protestants are the only ones God accepts into his kingdom. I can appreciate your fervor and conviction, but I have to disagree.

Quoting Bangtail:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:</b>" If they believe that these books are ... [snip!] ... are the only ones God accepts into his kingdom. I can appreciate your fervor and conviction, but I have to disagree."

If it's not an actual salvation issue, I'm not too concerned about it one way or the other. I don't think only protestants are going to Heaven. I think everyone who has repented of their sin, leads a Godly life, believes that Jesus is who He said He was and believe in the cross, death and resurection of Jesus, will go to Heaven.

Now, after saying that, I believe that God speaks to those who are truly His, by way of understanding what they read. Confusion is not of God.

Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" If it's not an actual salvation issue, I'm not too concerned about it one way or the other. I don't ... [snip!] ... that, I believe that God speaks to those who are truly His, by way of understanding what they read. Confusion is not of God."

I agree, to a point, but what we read doesn't answer everything. I think some things are left unanswered for a reason. Then, there are many different versions, all stressing different points. You already said that if a catholic believes in their bible that they are wrong. But, really, what you're saying is that as long as you believe in Jesus and repent of your sons, the version you read isn't of much consequence in the grand scheme.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Bangtail:</b>" I agree, to a point, but what we read doesn't answer everything. I think some things are left unanswered ... [snip!] ... as long as you believe in Jesus and repent of your sons, the version you read isn't of much consequence in the grand scheme."</blockquote>



I skimmed those 7 books, but am pretty sure I didn't see anything concerning salvation in any of them.

Here's where my hangup is: the Bible says: The gate and path to destruction is WIDE and MANY will take it. The gate and path to salvation is NARROW and FEW will find it.

Few.

My definition of "few" is "not many", in the grand scheme of things.

Also when people approach their judgement, they will say to God....but but, but...I prophesied in Your name. I did miracles in Your name... However, He says to them, "go from Me, I NEVER knew you!"

That, to me, means people that THINK they are saved...aren't. They obviously believe in God and Jesus ...so why do you suppose they will be turned away?