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D&D:GRAPHIC VIDEO!! Was this cop justified?

Absolutely not
 
89% (55 votes)
I would have done the same thing
 
11% (7 votes)

re: D&D:GRAPHIC VIDEO!! Was this cop justified?

posted 19th Jan
That's horrible. That poor girl, I couldn't imagine coming outside to see my brother/boyfriend or whatever he was laying there like that. And then they were frantically looking around for the knife that wasn't there. Even if the guy had a knife, why didn't they taser him instead of empty the smurfing clip into the guy? Even a shot to the leg would have done. It looked like there were shots in his back and two in his sides. And then the guy asked for a knife to cut the guys shirt off... why not use the one he was suppose to have on him? Smurfing smurfs.
quotesmurfs?
I have 2 kids & 2 angel babies & live in Oklahoma
posted 19th Jan
Quoting Mommeee™:" I wonder too, because the cop was calling his name telling him "don't you move earnie" so clearly...they knew about him, of him, or something. "

Gah. Seeing that girl freak out broke my heart. He better have been like a mass murderer or serial rapist for them to do something that smurfin' drastic.
quotesmurfs?
I live in Madagascar
posted 19th Jan
Are they still working on him in the chance he'll survive or to cover their asses?
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I have 3 kids & live in South Carolina
posted 19th Jan
Quoting ღ.ღ.ღ:" Are they still working on him in the chance he'll survive or to cover their asses?"

From what I read, the cop that shot him got off with zero punishment.
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I live in Madagascar
posted 19th Jan
Quoting Mrs. Potato Dick:" From what I read, the cop that shot him got off with zero punishment."

I have read that they are trying to charge him with murder.
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I live in Puerto Rico
posted 19th Jan
And no, the paramedics aren't trying to save the cops ass...it's always protocol on scenes to at least try so that the family can't sue them and say "they didn't even try" or "they could have saved him but didn't try"
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I live in Puerto Rico
posted 19th Jan
wow, wtf 


 
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I have 3 kids & live in Venezuela
posted 19th Jan
Quoting Mrs. Potato Dick:" From what I read, the cop that shot him got off with zero punishment."

Yeah i looked it up and that's pretty much how it goes. A family friends son was shot multiple times because he was a "threat" when he didn't do anything. They tried to say he had a gun "they never found " and that he was using the car as a weapon when it wasn't even on and the keys weren't in the ignition. When his dad tried to get justice they made it so that he was forced to back off, they were making his life hell because of it.
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I have 3 kids & live in South Carolina
posted 19th Jan
Quoting Mrs. Potato Dick:" Gah. Seeing that girl freak out broke my heart. He better have been like a mass murderer or serial rapist for them to do something that smurfin' drastic."

I read it was his wife.
quotesmurfs?
I live in Puerto Rico
posted 19th Jan
I'll update the op, but this is the news article written on this video.

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Furor-over-footage-of-police-shooting-4113400.php


One day after prosecutors in the Central Valley cleared a police officer in the fatal shooting of a parolee, attorneys for the man's family released graphic camera footage showing the officer firing 11 bullets into the man, including several that hit him in the back as he rolled on the ground.
Police in Manteca (San Joaquin County) say the officer opened fire after seeing a knife in the man's hand as the suspect got out of a pickup truck, and that a knife was later found in the bed of the vehicle. The family's attorneys countered that the man had been unarmed and trying to surrender when he was shot.
The video was recorded by a camera in Manteca police Officer James Moody's patrol car June 8, 2011, as he ordered 34-year-old Ernesto Duenez Jr. from a pickup truck after it pulled up to the home of a friend.
Police had been staking out the house because Duenez was wanted in connection with a domestic-violence incident earlier in the day, authorities said.
The footage shows Duenez, a passenger in the truck, getting out of the back seat and then leaning back toward the cab. Attorneys for his family say his right foot became tangled in the seat belt and that he was trying to free himself.
'Drop the knife now!'


Moody yelled at Duenez to put his hands up. Before opening fire, the officer can be heard on the camera footage yelling, "Drop the knife now!" and, "Hands up! Hands up, Ernie! Don't you move, Ernie, don't you move or I'll shoot you!"
Moody, 40, who has been on the Manteca force for 12 years, told investigators that he had seen a knife in Duenez's right hand and believed the suspect might charge him or throw it at him.
Moody fired 13 bullets in 4.2 seconds, investigators wrote, striking Duenez 11 times, including four shots while Duenez was on the ground. At one point in the camera footage, an entry wound can clearly be seen appearing on Duenez's back as he rolls on the ground after being hit several times.
Police said an 8-inch "throwing knife" with a 4-inch blade was later found in the truck's bed. Video experts hired by the district attorney's office said it appeared Duenez initially had a knife in his hand, but that they lost sight of it and couldn't explain how it ended up in the truck bed.
Not 'aggressive'


John Burris, an Oakland attorney who filed a wrongful-death lawsuit against Manteca and Moody in federal court in July, said that even if Duenez had been carrying a knife, "he made no aggressive movements toward the officer."
Burris said he has asked the U.S. Justice Department to open an investigation and seek murder charges against the officer.
"This is more barbaric than even the Oscar Grant shooting," Burris said, referring to the unarmed transit passenger whose fatal shooting on New Year's Day 2009 by a BART police officer was recorded by onlookers.
Burris obtained the video through the discovery process in his federal lawsuit. He released it at an Oakland news conference one day after the San Joaquin County district attorney's office concluded that Moody had been legally justified in shooting Duenez.
The prosecutor's report said Duenez was involved in a domestic disturbance earlier in the day with his wife, Whitney Duenez, and that witnesses had told police Duenez was carrying the throwing knife and was known to carry a gun. No gun was found at the shooting scene.
After the shooting began, Whitney Duenez emerged from the house, screaming, and bent over her mortally wounded husband.
According to the district attorney's report, Duenez was a gang member who had served three prison stints for convictions stemming from methamphetamine possession, reckless evasion of police in a stolen vehicle and assault with a deadly weapon.
Burris said Duenez had failed a drug test before the police stop and had known he was in violation of his parole.
Duenez's mother, Rosemary Duenez, 58, said at the news conference that she had decided to release the video after concluding that local authorities "would never deliver us justice."
"As heartbreaking as it is," she said, "people need to see what happened. They need to know what we see, and what we're fighting for."
Manteca Police Chief Nick Obligacion declined to comment on the shooting, citing the pending lawsuit. He said Moody has returned to active duty.
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I have 1 angel baby & live in Texas
posted 19th Jan
Quoting ×ø×K·ßear×ø×:" ive seen this before and ive seen similar videos like this which just make me sick... okay maybe shoot him once or twice int he leg, but shooting that many times just baffles me. "


When cops are trained to shoot, they're all trained to shoot to kill. I think this guy went over the top though for sure.
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I have 3 kids & live in Texas
posted 19th Jan
Quoting Mommeee™:" I have read that they are trying to charge him with murder. "


I dunno. This is what I read.

http://www.pslweb.org/liberationnews/news/manteca-calif-killer-cop.html
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I live in Madagascar
posted 19th Jan
How pathetic they cuff a man who is bleeding to death and limp on the ground. And what kind of officer doesn't know CPR or know to initiate it when someone they shot is pulse less. He was more concerned about a knife that I didn't even see recovered.

He reacted out of fear which he should not have done. Like others said shoot a leg or even just a warning shot. Taze him fine. But kill him?

This is sad. And what is really sad is cops get away with this crap all the time. I understand they have a dangerous job but that's what they chose to do. Nobody forced them to be a cop.
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I'm due June 24th, have 2 kids & live in Arizona
posted 19th Jan
    
Wow. To shoot a man that many times because of a knife? Really? Even if he saw a knife you shot him already there's no need to shoot him 11 times. And the fact that they just searched him and let him lay there and die without any medical attention is stupid. There is NO reason he should have shot him that many times.
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I have 1 child & live in Franklin, Ohio
posted 19th Jan
And this was all over a domestic disturbance with his wife earlier in the day? Now I feel even more terrible for her. Im sure had she known her telling the police hes been known to carry a small knife would have turned into this.. ugh I feel so terrible for her.
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I have 4 kids & live in Louisiana
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