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posted 15th Jan
Quoting Kayla [ ]♥:" It is not Emilie in that picture. It is her sister. That picture is taken LONG before the shooting... Here is the family picture in the fall, just before the shooting. "

i watched that part a couple times too...and i didn't think it was her either(but wasn't sure) the little girl who was sitting on his lap didn't look like their sister..she had brown hair i think..
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I have 1 child & live in Erie, Pennsylvania
posted 15th Jan
Quoting Christina Getty:" well what if children never died? It was weird how emilee was in that picture with obamha..."




that wasnt emilie that was her sister in the same dress that emilie wore in a family picture earlier. with 3 blond headed daughters, it seems a little hard to tell by a profile.
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I have 1 child & 4 angel babies & live in Tallahassee, Florida
posted 15th Jan
If this WAS true, don't you think the government would not allow it to be exposed?
The FBI and CIA would be all over shutting this video down and probably killing the dude that exposed it.
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I have 1 child & live in Indiana
posted 15th Jan
Quoting ☮Sugar Magnolia:" If this WAS true, don't you think the government would not allow it to be exposed? The FBI and CIA would be all over shutting this video down and probably killing the dude that exposed it."


this is a good point, but if the guy ended up dead in a freak accident that would be a whole nother window just openeded and more people saying the government did it
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I'm due July 20th (a boy), have 3 kids & live in Mueang Phuket, Thailand
posted 15th Jan
If everyone is saying they are acting but then turn around and say they aren't emotional enough and not crying then why would they hire such bad actors?
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I have 3 kids & 1 angel baby & live in Illinois
posted 15th Jan
Quoting ☮ Phuket:" this is a good point, but if the guy ended up dead in a freak accident that would be a whole nother window just openeded and more people saying the government did it"

The video wouldn't have circulated like it has though, he'd still be a nobody.
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I have 1 child & live in Indiana
posted 15th Jan
<blockquote><b>Quoting ☮Sugar Magnolia:</b>" If this WAS true, don't you think the government would not allow it to be exposed? The FBI and CIA would be all over shutting this video down and probably killing the dude that exposed it."</blockquote>




I don't believe it was a conspiracy. However, the government does many things that you would never believe. And shutting this guy up after its been aired would only make them look more guilty.
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I have 2 kids & live in Sweden
posted 15th Jan
orrrr what if the government made this video so we could all think he was crazy for thinking it was a conspiracy and therefore we would have no doubt that it really happened.
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I have 1 child & live in Erie, Pennsylvania
posted 15th Jan
Quoting Christina Getty:" orrrr what if the government made this video so we could all think he was crazy for thinking it was a conspiracy and therefore we would have no doubt that it really happened."

That's even worse. A conspiracy for a conspiracy... ick.
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I have 2 kids & live in Cold Lake, Alberta
posted 15th Jan
Quoting ILOVEWINE:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ☮Sugar Magnolia:</b>" If this WAS true, don't you think ... [snip!] ... many things that you would never believe. And shutting this guy up after its been aired would only make them look more guilty."

My whole point is they'd be monitoring for videos about this and shutting them down loooong before they circulated, then shutting the dude up.


What are you more likely to believe, a video like this, or someone saying a video like this existed and then the government kidnapped/killed the guy that made it and shut it down? Come on now. lol.
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I have 1 child & live in Indiana
posted 15th Jan
<blockquote><b>Quoting ☮Sugar Magnolia:</b>" My whole point is they'd be monitoring for videos about this and shutting them down loooong before they ... [snip!] ... a video like this existed and then the government kidnapped/killed the guy that made it and shut it down? Come on now. lol."</blockquote>




Well neither. But the government monitors everything anyways. Read the book black list, it's very eye opening.
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I have 2 kids & live in Sweden
posted 15th Jan
Quoting Kayla [ ]♥:" That's even worse. A conspiracy for a conspiracy... ick."
lol i don't really believe that.
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I have 1 child & live in Erie, Pennsylvania
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posted 15th Jan
So do you (you as in the general you) believe this stories are conspiracy also? Or no because no one talked about them in the media?
THE SCHOOL SHOOTING YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT

Very few people heard about the school shooting in gun-filled Wyoming that left three people dead late last year. Stick around, and you'll find out why.

Here’s what happened:

Chris Krumm, a troubled 25-year-old, traveled from Connecticut to Casper, Wyoming, to settle a score with his father, Jim Krumm, a popular junior college instructor. The motivation for his actions are unclear, but Chris Krumm appeared to be suffering from a mental illness.

On a Friday morning, November 30, Chris Krumm murdered his father’s female companion Heidi Arnold– also an instructor at the college -- and left her body in the street. He then drove to Casper College where his father Jim taught computer science in Room 325. Chris Krumm entered the room and -- in front of students -- shot his father in the head. Jim Krumm heroically wrestled his son to the floor before he died so the students could escape. Chris Krumm, like most of these cowards, committed suicide before police arrived.

It was a horrific incident, and it shook my hometown of Casper and the rest of our sparsely populated state to its core. Although Wyoming has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the U.S., it also has one of the lowest murder rates. The incident was unusual and shocking and heavily covered locally but not nationally. Where were Michael Bloomberg and Bob Costas and Piers Morgan and Barack Obama?

So why, in the tragic shadow of Sandy Hook, haven’t you heard of this school shooting?

Because Chris Krumm killed Heidi Arnold with a knife. He shot his father through the head with a compound bow and arrow at a range of four feet. And he used a knife to end his own miserable existence.

Now you know why you haven’t heard about it.

http://ricochet.com/main-feed/The-School-Shooting-You-Haven-t-Heard-About

Prominent rifle manufacturer killed in mysterious car crash days after posting psych drug link to school shooters (Article at bottom)

This is the last post John Noveske made on his Facebook page before he was killed:

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...")

Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)

Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.

Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions."

Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.

Missing from list... 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds....

What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21...... killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az

What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24..... killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado

What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or

What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct

Roberts is the only one that I haven't heard about being on drugs of some kind.


http://www.naturalnews.com/038616_John_Noveske_mysterious_death_car_crash.html#ixzz2HosGWeDs
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posted 15th Jan
Quoting ♡TillMyLastDayϖ:" So do you (you as in the general you) believe this stories are conspiracy also? Or no because no one ... [snip!] ... being on drugs of some kind. http://www.naturalnews.com/038616_John_Noveske_mysterious_death_car_crash.html#ixzz2HosGWeDs "


i knew that those drugs smurfed u up, but i didnt know it smurfed u up that damn bad!!
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I have 1 child & 4 angel babies & live in Tallahassee, Florida
posted 15th Jan
Quoting ♡TillMyLastDayϖ:" So do you (you as in the general you) believe this stories are conspiracy also? Or no because no one ... [snip!] ... being on drugs of some kind. http://www.naturalnews.com/038616_John_Noveske_mysterious_death_car_crash.html#ixzz2HosGWeDs "


this isnt surpirsing the least bit.....

i personally think alot of those drugs make it worse, so you have to take more drugs, to get better... its all about money!
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I'm due July 20th (a boy), have 3 kids & live in Mueang Phuket, Thailand
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