re: Guilty or not?

Quoting K.Lynn09:" It doesn't matter what you feel and that he chose to kill. it is a jury's duty to decided weather or ... [snip!] ... In the US there is a law saying you have the right to defend yourself in your own home there fore the law was not broken."

Defend? He WAS NOT defending himself. that's the point. It was a 12 year-old girl making noises. Either he was just too dumb, or I don't know. He had many choices. But he choose to kill. For all that matters, he was his daughters' murderer. His life wasn't at risk, so he was not "defending" himself.

Quoting Jennybananna:" Legally though he broke no law. From a moral stand point thats one thing but legally with the current laws he did nothing illegal."

This means - you are given a gun so the laws lets you shoot whoever you want as long as they are in your property? What a beautiful lesson to teach our kids.

Quoting ♥ inês:" Defend? He WAS NOT defending himself. that's the point. It was a 12 year-old girl making noises. Either ... [snip!] ... to kill. For all that matters, he was his daughters' murderer. His life wasn't at risk, so he was not "defending" himself. "

He was under the belief someone had broken into his house. In your original post you stated they were sure their daughter was safely at a friends house.

Quoting K.Lynn09:" He was under the belief someone had broken into his house. In your original post you stated they were sure their daughter was safely at a friends house."

They were sure, that's what they thought. But things like this aren't remotely impossible. There's always a small chance. there's always something to consider. He clearly proved he wasn't psychologically ready to own a gun.. His actions were the most stupid actions he could have had in a situation like this.

Quoting ♥ inês:" They were sure, that's what they thought. But things like this aren't remotely impossible. There's always ... [snip!] ... psychologically ready to own a gun.. His actions were the most stupid actions he could have had in a situation like this."

I'm not going to argue with you since its obvious that you are firm in your opinion and point of view. I am saying that under the circumstances presented he did not break any current laws.

Quoting K.Lynn09:" I'm not going to argue with you since its obvious that you are firm in your opinion and point of view. I am saying that under the circumstances presented he did not break any current laws. "

unless your law is "you can shoot whoever is in your property", then yes, he broke it. But yes, views are views and I have to agree americans will never have the same point of view of us, most europeans.

the law varies from state to state. In Ohio you are allowed to shoot anyone who is attempting to break into your home/has broken into your home. It is stated that since they are attempting to break in or have broken in you are allowed to assume they would harm you physically. It also applies if someone attempts to car-jack you. It does not state you can shoot anyone you damn well please.

Quoting ♥ inês:" This means - you are given a gun so the laws lets you shoot whoever you want as long as they are in your property? What a beautiful lesson to teach our kids."

Not saying i agree with the law thats a whole different debate. With current laws he broke no laws. Yes he made some bad choices. Yes he let his fear get the best of him and obviously wasnt thinking clearly.

<blockquote><b>Quoting ♥ inês:</b>" unless your law is "you can shoot whoever is in your property", then yes, he broke it. But yes, views ... [snip!] ... broke it. But yes, views are views and I have to agree americans will never have the same point of view of us, most europeans."</blockquote>




I'm American and I agree with you. We're not all the same.

Quoting ♥ inês:" unless your law is "you can shoot whoever is in your property", then yes, he broke it. But yes, views ... [snip!] ... broke it. But yes, views are views and I have to agree americans will never have the same point of view of us, most europeans."

I dont think thats a very fair statement about americans either.

Quoting kate & tilly:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ♥ inês:</b>" unless your law is "you can shoot whoever ... [snip!] ... same point of view of us, most europeans."</blockquote> I'm American and I agree with you. We're not all the same."

I mean, most americans. I love America, I truly do. Just not some laws..

Quoting Jennybananna:" I dont think thats a very fair statement about americans either. "

Almost all the americans I've discussed with about anything to do with guns, they'll be standing up straight for it. While in my point of view, and many more europeans, we think it's just plain ridiculous to own a gun. It's just sad.. and makes no sense to most of us who have grown without those laws, in peace and as safe as possible.

Of course there are different views on guns and gun control.. But most of them, have stood up in its favor.

<blockquote><b>Quoting ♥ inês:</b>" I mean, most americans. I love America, I truly do. Just not some laws.."</blockquote>




Don't worry a lot of people feel that way about some of the laws.

Quoting ♥ inês:" Almost all the americans I've discussed with about anything to do with guns, they'll be standing up ... [snip!] ... safe as possible. Of course there are different views on guns and gun control.. But most of them, have stood up in its favor. "

My dad is from the UK so I do truly see both sides. There is a huge gun control issue in the US and its a very heated topic. The fact is its very hard to take away something that has been legal for so long vs. being in a country where people never had that right in the first place.

Quoting kate & tilly:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ♥ inês:</b>" I mean, most americans. I love America, ... [snip!] ... I truly do. Just not some laws.."</blockquote> Don't worry a lot of people feel that way about some of the laws."

That's good. America is an outstandingly beautiful country and should walk toward more and more peace.