Quoting House of Estrogen:" Honestly, I think the small towns are worse. There's that false sense of security that it would NEVER ... [snip!] ... in MY town but it does. Ever notice that the media sensationalized child abductions and murders happen in small town America?"

There hasn't been an abduction here in several years. There have been kidnappings from the other parent (ie. mother or father runs out of state with the child) but that's it.

I've left k in the car while I run in to pay gas or run back into the house quick since birth. He's harnessed so he can't touch anything plus in my car the brake has to be pushed all the way down to knock it out of park.
I've never heard of a kidnapping in the area. Except one parental kidnapping which is completely different. Crime rate in general where I live is super low.

<blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" I've never left them for any more than a minute & that has been like load one kid in the car, go ... [snip!] ... buttons until it clears OR I move to a new pump. LOL I am not going in, even when alone. That defeats why I got my card."</blockquote>



Not everyone has cards...

Quoting Michael Westen:" There hasn't been an abduction here in several years. There have been kidnappings from the other parent (ie. mother or father runs out of state with the child) but that's it."

And that's exactly why small towns are worse. It's a false sense of security.

I live in a city of 20,000 people. I used to live about 15 minutes away where there is less than 5000 people. I would never presume that my kids were any safer here than in a bigger city of 250,000 people.

Quoting House of Estrogen:" And that's exactly why small towns are worse. It's a false sense of security. I live in a city of 20,000 ... [snip!] ... there is less than 5000 people. I would never presume that my kids were any safer here than in a bigger city of 250,000 people."

I agree. I used to work several different jobs that required travel. In one job I worked in banks. I used to have to go to branches in Flint, Michigan a lot. It was voted the most violent city in the US in 2011 & has been bad for a long time. When I got robbed at knife point, like knife to my neck? I was in small podunk town....not Flint. Nothing hinky ever happened to me when I was in Flint. Smurf happens everywhere & I never assume anything is safe...so I take precaution whenever I can.

For info about Flint & crime if you wonder: http://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/michigan/flint.html#.UO8KhaxGOvc (It won't let me link it)

Quoting House of Estrogen:" And that's exactly why small towns are worse. It's a false sense of security. I live in a city of 20,000 ... [snip!] ... there is less than 5000 people. I would never presume that my kids were any safer here than in a bigger city of 250,000 people."

I completely agree.

Quoting ♥K:" <blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" I've never left them for any more than ... [snip!] ... pump. LOL I am not going in, even when alone. That defeats why I got my card."</blockquote> Not everyone has cards..."

And I don't know about where you are but here I can get between 10 and 30 cents off a gallon by using cash instead of a card.

i have done it but quick less then 5 mins i take the keys set and set the alarm

Quoting ♥K:" <blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" I've never left them for any more than ... [snip!] ... pump. LOL I am not going in, even when alone. That defeats why I got my card."</blockquote> Not everyone has cards..."

True, but even if you don't get a bank card & you can get gas cards that you put cash on & use them. I just avoid leaving the car with my kids in it in public places for any length of time. I use a bank card, but if I did not have one, I'd get a gas card. Even Walmart has the ability to use a gift card at the pump, so you can pick one of those up when doing groceries & put more money on it when it gets low. I am not saying you have to have a bank card or credit card, but you can find ways around it if you don't want to go in the store without them and don't have a card, etc.

The odds are a kid will be fine. I totally get that. I just avoid it because in the off chance something happened, I can't live with that. I am not trying to be a jerk - but THIS is why Id' enver do it: http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-163981.html
If a man came to the window with a gun, I know my child wouldn't know how to handle it & would probably unlock the door. The child in the article (age 6) was then pushed from the vehicle, but got caught in the seat belt & dragged to death (it is thought the car jacker didn't know the child was dangling). I don't think that will actually happen to my child. BUT in the off chance it could, I won't do anything that would make it any more likely for it to happen. So for me, leaving them in a car isn't anything I am willing to do. Like I said, I have left one in there while getting the other when in the driveway at home when they were smaller, but other than when I feel like I *have* to, I don't.

Quoting Michael Westen:" And I don't know about where you are but here I can get between 10 and 30 cents off a gallon by using cash instead of a card."

I've never seen that. The most I have seen is 5 cents.

Quoting justanothamotha:" I've never seen that. The most I have seen is 5 cents."

Here is the first place I have ever seen it. There are two of them in town owned by the same company. Right now, it's $2.45 a gallon there where everywhere else it's $2.65. And literally, when I go there, if I open the door to the store too far, I will hit my car with it. And when you're in the store, you can barely fit 2 customers total in there.

Quoting Michael Westen:" Here is the first place I have ever seen it. There are two of them in town owned by the same company. ... [snip!] ... to the store too far, I will hit my car with it. And when you're in the store, you can barely fit 2 customers total in there."

That price on gas alone sounds good to me - by the gallon?

12 probably. My mom used to leave me in the car when we got home if I was asleep in the back seat...We lived out in the "country", but we still had neighbors across the way. I would just wake up and walk into the house, I was always fine, but I couldn't ever do that to my daughter personally. I mean, my mom would walk outside and check on me every 30 minutes or so...but if we lived in a more populated area, something bad could've happened and my mom wouldn't have known until it was too late. I couldn't ever do that, not even for a minute in a parking lot....too many sick people who move too quickly in this world.

Quoting justanothamotha:" That price on gas alone sounds good to me - by the gallon?"

Yep. Lol. $10 yesterday got me almost to 1/2 a tank in my midsize car.

Quoting Michael Westen:" Yep. Lol. $10 yesterday got me almost to 1/2 a tank in my midsize car."

I haven't seen prices like that in almost 5 yrs. :S