re: Nursing in Public (NIP) - Is Covering Up Necessary?

Quoting justanothamotha:" You used feminazi in this way: "Bummer for you if they are ONLY '"tools". They aren't for most women....except ... [snip!] ... I do care if they make it out like it should be done in private because it's private & boobs are, well "sexual of course". "

They are sexual FOR ME. I feel most comfortable in private. I never said that ALL women should nurse in private only... because it's disgusting. I never said it shouldn't be allowed. If YOU feel comfortable with it, MORE POWER TO YOU.

You act like I'm on a damn crusade. I'm not. Not even a little one.

I don't care for the idea of going to a nude beach, so I don't go there. I don't care for porn, so I don't watch it. I don't like chocolate ice cream...so I eat vanilla, instead.

These are all just personal choices. That's it.

You, like pickle puss, are implying that I have some sort of agenda or intention to force women to hide when they BF. I don't.

Repeating myself is getting really old. Everyone who reads this thread knows my stance and personal feelings on it, FOR MYSELF.

Quoting P Pickle Pants:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:</b>" Definition of NAZI 1 : a member ... [snip!] ... You are the one pissed off and going full tilt at me. Your feelings are your own, don't try to pass the blame for them to me."

You are thick. I mean, REALLY thick.

Why do you think that there are varying definitions in the dictionary if it doesn't have different meanings? Are you kidding me right now?

I'm telling you that there ARE different meanings to the word, then I show you proof and you STILL insist I literally called you a Hitler loving Nazi?

You are a freaking lunatic. You just have to be right. Swallow your damn pride, girl.

Nothing I could say would stop your idiocy...and YES, you are a complete idiot.

Quoting P Pickle Pants:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:</b>" Definition of NAZI 1 : a member ... [snip!] ... You are the one pissed off and going full tilt at me. Your feelings are your own, don't try to pass the blame for them to me."

You're being a super big jerk, have been since the get-go and it's ME who make women look bad? You need to be put in your place. Obviously no one has taught you an ounce of humility.

Learn some humility and grace. It takes me a good bit of time before I go off on someone, but you have proven worthy of that unleashing. You wanted a confrontation and when you get it, you wonder why? Passive aggresiveness is a blemish on your character.

I'm not passive aggresive. When you are an idiot/jerk/uncivilized neanderthal , you get what you have coming.

Quoting Liam's Mama:" I say nurse whenever, where ever..cover or no cover."

 

Exactly!

When you can't come up with a real response you go with insults.

Can't even have a debate without someone getting pissy.

Have fun slinging your insults about me. Won't bother me for a minute. You are the one heated up here. Not me.

Quoting P Pickle Pants:" When you can't come up with a real response you go with insults. Can't even have a debate without someone ... [snip!] ... getting pissy. Have fun slinging your insults about me. Won't bother me for a minute. You are the one heated up here. Not me."

You're such a turd.

I HAVE given valid responses and nothing has satisfied you, even in the least.

What was the debate about, again? Nursing in public?

Should I repeat my stance on that or are you familar with it? I don't even know WHAT you think at this point.

All I've gathered from this thread is:
* I'm hurting a cause by not wanting to breastfeed in public
*I've compared you to a Jew hating Nazi
*I'm uneducated, close-minded, a white supremacist, a racist and "ridiculous"
The ONLY way that I can help the breastfeeding cause is to whip it out in public, while beating my chest and screaming, "I am woman, hear me roar!!" (last part added for humor...but it will surely be lost on you)


I think your way is fine and I think my way is fine. I can't get any more easy going about it. Not good enough for you.? Too damn bad.

Quoting P Pickle Pants:" When you can't come up with a real response you go with insults. Can't even have a debate without someone ... [snip!] ... getting pissy. Have fun slinging your insults about me. Won't bother me for a minute. You are the one heated up here. Not me."

 
Not worth it to even bother talking to ;-)

<blockquote><b>Quoting ♥ darah ♥:</b>"   Not worth it to even bother talking to ;-)"</blockquote>



Agreed. She's talking herself in circles and just getting more an more heated. Its like talking to a 2year old who missed nap time.

I just spent time reading all 17 pages of this, and I'm calling some serious bullsmurf. Women are outright ridiculous. There are plenty of natural things that happen involving different parts of our bodies. Some people like to keep these things private for their own personal reason. That doesn't make them part of any problem. Don't sit there and act like you're some spectacular female specimen because you breastfeed in public with no cover and others don't feel comfortable doing that. It doesnt make you a better woman, mother, or caregiver then the women who dont.

Don't say you support women's rights to breastfeed wherever and however they want when really you only support women who do things the same way as you. At least own it.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Bangtail:</b>" I just spent time reading all 17 pages of this, and I'm calling some serious bullsmurf. Women are outright ... [snip!] ... wherever and however they want when really you only support women who do things the same way as you. At least own it."</blockquote>

I support women doing it how they want when they aren't doing it the way they "want" due to social stigma and sexual oppression---if she JUST liked it better and it wasn't about not wanting a creeper to stare at her it'd be done. It's that she feels the pressure to hide away but isn't willing to admit that those pressures are wrong and should be fought against.

And I have issues with being told I'm a feminazi because my breasts truly aren't sexual to me. I derive no pleasure in them. Didn't even like my big boobs til I sat in awe and watched them nourish my son. Before that, they were just big and in the way and hard to find clothes to fit. But clearly something's wrong with me because I don't get my sexual jollies off that way (hi pot! This is kettle again!)

And i have zero problem with women who use covers in public. Some babies do BETTER with them and i find them socially acceptable in many situations and have worn one myself a few (although very few) times---mostly when visiting others' homes.

Get your facts straight!

Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" You're such a turd. I HAVE given valid responses and nothing has satisfied you, even in the least. ... [snip!] ... your way is fine and I think my way is fine. I can't get any more easy going about it. Not good enough for you.? Too damn bad."

You didn't come in here to say "I think your way is fine and my way is fine". You didn't come in easy going actually. Your very first post ended with this: "I really don't care for the 'in your face' style of nursing. It wreaks of pompous to me." ...so your entry into this debate starts off with you saying that a woman needs to NIP in a certain way or she's a pompous jerk? ;) And you can nurse for 20 yrs & not support breastfeeding OR never nurse at all & be a huge cheerleader. Support is about what you offer to OTHERS, not what you do for yourself & your own. I am glad you nursed for 13 months (and I think you said still are). Kudos to you for that. It has nothing to do with whether or not you show support to other nursing moms.

Here let me give you an example. I had to go back to work at 6 weeks. It was tough. I support longer maternity leaves for mothers. I no longer work. Supporting it would no longer benefit me, yet I still support it & hope some day moms are not pressured to go back to work so soon. Some moms say "I had to go back to work at 6 weeks too - suck it up. It's the way it works." That would be an example of a working mom not supporting another working mom. Same happens in EVERY arena. Letting your child breastfeed for ANY duration of time doesn't automatically mean you hold attitudes & ideas that actually support breastfeeding or breastfeeding mothers. It just means you breastfeed/fed.

<blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" You didn't come in here to say "I think your way is fine and my way is fine". You didn't come in easy ... [snip!] ... you hold attitudes & ideas that actually support breastfeeding or breastfeeding mothers. It just means you breastfeed/fed."</blockquote>


     

<blockquote><b>Quoting P Pickle Pants:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Bangtail:</b>" I just spent time reading all 17 pages of this, ... [snip!] ... and have worn one myself a few (although very few) times---mostly when visiting others' homes. Get your facts straight!"</blockquote>



My facts are straight. I have the perspective of someone completely uninvolved in the argument and my opinion is unbias. I read the whole thing. She wasn't calling you a femanazi because you don't look at boobs sexually; she said that because of the opinion that her view of breasts as sexual was because of society and not her own decision. Yes, saying that overtly nursing uncovered in public was pompous was a ridiculous statement. On that same note, saying that women who don't feel comfortable being exposed (whether you think it's exposed or not is a personal opinion) are making it harder for others is just as ridiculous. My choice to cover up has absolutely no bearing on your movement.

The focus is not just about being able to breastfeed wherever and however. The focus really needs to be on encouraging breastfeeding period. If you make the case that nursing while covered is detrimental, you may scare away those women that are uncomfortable with doing it. Like I said before, breastfeeding really is a relatively new push in this country's history. As is being comfortable seeing a breast as both sexual/private and functional.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Bangtail:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting P Pickle Pants:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Bangtail:</b>" ... [snip!] ... a relatively new push in this country's history. As is being comfortable seeing a breast as both sexual/private and functional."</blockquote>




Did you not read what I wrote (or anything I've written in this thread?)

I have zero problem with a woman who covers to nurse unless she then oppresses other mothers' right to nurse as she pleases.

I have a problem with women who trap themselves at HOME or in back rooms to do it because society makes them feel uncomfortable and then they claim it as personal preference and act like women who nurse uncovered in public are "in your face" and "pompous" and like those societal pressures that they ADMIT effect their decision are unimportant and don't make a difference and don't need to be fought against!!!

NOTE---I did not say I have a problem with women who nurse at home. Just those who think that they shouldn't or can't fight the social pressures and consider those who do to be pompous or "in your face"

Quoting Bangtail:" <blockquote><b>Quoting P Pickle Pants:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Bangtail:</b>" ... [snip!] ... a relatively new push in this country's history. As is being comfortable seeing a breast as both sexual/private and functional."

If the focus is to encourage nursing, then long term it does have to be about normalizing it & you don't normalize anything kept completely out of sight.

I do support a woman nursing however she needs to do it. I also encourage women to nurse in public. Our daughters (meaning as a whole, *I* have no daughters) and even our sons, NEED to see breasts as a way to feed a baby if they are to actually be expected to internalize that idea rather than to continue to perpetuate the cultural sickness of breasts being fun bags. The fact that we think of them as sexual first & functional secondly is part of why the rates of nursing aren't that high.

When the media is constantly showing sexualized images of breasts & women hide their nursing due to the sexual taboo then there is no substantial change made & never will be. All we have done then is pressure women into nursing & made it harder than ever to actually do it. Substantial change comes when we see breasts as the mammary glands they are first & then can acknowledge that in some cultures some couples also enjoy breasts in regard to sexual foreplay & what not.