re: should a woman say.. D&D.

<blockquote><b>Quoting melindapple:</b>" Sure why not? There was a baby born, that came from their body. I don't think it's fair that your friend ... [snip!] ... way out when many moms go through everything except pushing the baby out, and recovery is a bitch not "easy" by any means."</blockquote>




See that's how I feel.
I had a vaginal birth and SIL had a c section.
We had our babies 14 days apart and I was up walking around 2 hours after having DD, while SIL couldn't even make it to the toilet 2 days later without crying in agony.. I think she had it worse.

I've done both. My first was a vaginal birth, and while it was hell (my epidural failed and drugs didn't work at all)... my C-section was MUCH MUCH worse. My twins were delivered via C-section. It was the worst, most painful experience of my life, and I've had back surgery AND pushed a child out of my vagina without drugs.

I most certainly birthed ALL of my children. I don't understand how having someone cut you open and remove a child from you, which your body is not meant to do at all, is taking the easy way out and not giving birth. Your friend is an ass.

Yes I believe a baby is still "birthed" with a C-section, this coming from someone who is very into non-medicated vaginal births.

edit: Apparently I can not spell baby anymore  

I don't say I gave birth necessarily, but I guess I believe I did. I didn't go into labor or have any contractions at all so it does seem like kinda the easy way out but then I think about it and it is major surgery and I had to recover like anyone else. Lol I don't know, but if someone says they gave birth it's cool and if they say they didn't whatever.

Your friend is an uppity bitch. Having a c-section is by no means the easy way out. Some people will grasp at any straw in order to feel superior to others.

Quoting AngelGabriel'sMama:" I don't say I gave birth necessarily, but I guess I believe I did. I didn't go into labor or have any ... [snip!] ... recover like anyone else. Lol I don't know, but if someone says they gave birth it's cool and if they say they didn't whatever."

That's fine to say if they do they do, and if they don't, they don't. But no one should be able to say "you can't say you gave birth of you had a c section." I feel like I have every right to say I gave birth. I did all the hard work too. I labored, and I pushed for hours and hours. The ONLY difference was that I didn't actually accomplish pushing her out, but she was pretty damn near close. Enough to where everyone could see her head, DH even touched it. But she was stuck, and I would have rather risked my health and recovery for her health rather than be stubborn and push a baby out just so I could have the same rights to claim "giving birth."

Quoting Ole' No Name:" Okay this isn't my personal beliefs so don't jump.my ass about this. Just a question, mkay?   I was ... [snip!] ... gave birth. She says.. "they get the easy way out, they just lay there and someone cuts the baby out" What are your feelings?"

If I didn't give birth according to your friend well I guess the stork brought my baby and I never was pregnant  

Quoting Wiggity Wack:" Your friend is an uppity bitch. Having a c-section is by no means the easy way out. Some people will grasp at any straw in order to feel superior to others."

 

c sections take longer to recover from in general than vag births so how is that easier?

Quoting melindapple:" That's fine to say if they do they do, and if they don't, they don't. But no one should be able to say ... [snip!] ... for her health rather than be stubborn and push a baby out just so I could have the same rights to claim "giving birth.""

Same here. I was induced and went through 7 hours of intense contractions. On hour seven, my son went into distress and his heart rate started dropping. I hadn't dilated at all and was no closer to pushing him out than at hour one, so I had a c-section. He came out with his cord wrapped around his neck twice. The doctors said he might have died if I chose to continue laboring. But according to OPs bitch friend, I took "the easy, lazy way out".  

Quoting RushLimbaugh:"   c sections take longer to recover from in general than vag births so how is that easier?"

I have a pretty sturdy frame, and was able to walk around and use the bathroom after 1 day of recovery. According the hospital staff, that isn't very common. It still hurt like hell. I skipped one dose of my pain meds because they were making me drowsy and I felt the full extent of that pain. I woke up to my son crying and tried to get out of bed to walk to his bassinet. Ugh...I still remember dropping to the floor and screaming for my DH to help me. The nurses came in and bitched me out for skipping my meds. lol.

Quoting Wiggity Wack:" I have a pretty sturdy frame, and was able to walk around and use the bathroom after 1 day of recovery. ... [snip!] ... dropping to the floor and screaming for my DH to help me. The nurses came in and bitched me out for skipping my meds. lol."

OWWW   brings back memories. I hope to GOD I don't go thru that again with this kid. Other than the post op pain, the worst pain was them rotting me out sticking a cath up my pee hole without the epidural or anesthesia.

I DIDN'T go through the labor, had a c-section, and yes i gave birth...even though I don't know what a contraction feels like. I didn't go through labor, but I went through birth. And it was by no means "easy".

Quoting RushLimbaugh:" OWWW   brings back memories. I hope to GOD I don't go thru that again with this kid. Other than the ... [snip!] ... the post op pain, the worst pain was them rotting me out sticking a cath up my pee hole without the epidural or anesthesia. "

Ugh. I hated the cath too. The things we do for our babes.  

I might try a VBAC with my next pregnancy, but only if it is safe to do so. If not, I'll have another c-section and people like OP's friend can suck it.  

I've never heard of giving birth to specifically mean the vagina.

Sea horses give birth and that's out of a hole in the belly of the male.  

I don't think a cesction is the easy way out. The recovery is usually harder. Not only is the mom trying to recover from a major surgery she also has to take care of a new baby. None of mine were a c section because I feared the recovery. I protested the thought of having a c section. I even had the twins naturally, luckily they cooperated and both were head down lol