re: Proof of heaven?

Quoting regina_margot:" nothing was ever verified. not a single solitary thing. verification means proof. actual, perfect, ... [snip!] ... necklace! it's always stupid crap that's totally universal, and just a matter of guessing long enough and everyone's got one"

You make it sound like you know this for a fact. How can you really know for sure? I'll admit there is no scientifically hardcore level proof and these things have yet to be proven but the evidence is pretty strong that there is much more to things than we can know. I mentioned children as an example but most of things that were verified usually took place in the hospital in which the experiencer clearly observed things while out of the body. Sometimes it was unprofessional actions on part of the staff in which when later confronted by the NDER the nurse or doctor would turn many whiter shades of pale. Doctors and nurses are much more likely today to be careful what they say or how they act around a clincally near death patient.

Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" Could it be that young children are just perceptive and maybe heard relatives discussing things or found things around the house?"

That could be in some cases but based upon the cases I have heard of and there have been quite a few the circumstances were too extraordinary to dismiss it as a logical explanation. Also in some cases of their NDE there state of consciouness was so greatly expanded that they did not percieve themselves as humans or children but as adult spirits. It is not just the NDE thing but the fact that some children at the age of first starting to talk blurt out things the boggles the minds of their parents in which they are convinced that child had reincarnated. I am sure there are some members here who have their own story to tell.

Quoting Mama Lizzy :]:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Lucid Dreamer:</b>" It might seem like a possibility but like ... [snip!] ... when I watched it and fell asleep...I need to rewatch it. The parts about our dreams and some of the theories were really cool"

I have not read much about it but I did get to listen to the author of the book "DMT The Spirit Molecule". He was a guest on the Art Bell radio show. Though I have my views about DMT I would love to try if it was legal. I could use a good trip LOL.

Quoting Lucid Dreamer:" You make it sound like you know this for a fact. How can you really know for sure? I'll admit there is ... [snip!] ... and nurses are much more likely today to be careful what they say or how they act around a clincally near death patient."

the title of your post is "proof of heaven"
i know for sure that there isn't.
for thousands of years, millions of people have desperately tried to produce "proof of heaven".
no one has succeeded.
in general, tho, lack of proof of something is not the same as proof of its absence.
you can't prove heaven exists, and i can't prove it doesn't. we can reach no conclusion.

however, all the same can be said about Santa Claus. Can i prove he doesn't exist? have i searched the ENTIRE north pole, every nook and cranny?
i can't prove santa isn't real.
the logical, scientific status of god is exactly equal to santa claus.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Lucid Dreamer:</b>" I have not read much about it but I did get to listen to the author of the book "DMT The Spirit Molecule". ... [snip!] ... on the Art Bell radio show. Though I have my views about DMT I would love to try if it was legal. I could use a good trip LOL."</blockquote>




Take a trip to Mexico ;).

I had a friend that used to do it alot. He also used to do LSD alot but said DMT was way nicer, powerful, and more productive....like mind opening.I dont believe you can have a bad trip on it either.