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Should Muslims be able to wear hijab in court?

posted 20th Dec
I disagree with this entirely, I know that it's a breach of religious rights, kinda, I guess. But people have the right to face their accusers, and on top of that how could you possibly know if someone was lying behind there? Thoughts?

Article below.







The Supreme Court will weigh in Thursday on whether a woman will be allowed to wear a face-covering veil on the witness stand.




In a case described as "a perfect storm of issues," the Supreme Court of Canada weighed in Thursday on whether a Muslim woman accusing her cousin and uncle of childhood sexual assault should be allowed to wear a face-covering veil on the witness stand.

The court ruled that a Muslim woman can, under certain circumstances, wear a face-covering veil on the witness stand. The court set out a framework to help judges determine, on a case-by-case basis, when the veil would be allowed.

The precedent-setting case of an Ontario woman identified only as N.S. has national significance for Muslim women in the Canadian justice system.

This is the first time the issue of a witness wearing a veil in court has arisen in Canada, and the judgment is precedent-setting in terms of how the court deals with the various interests involved, said Caris-sima Mathen, a law professor and expert in criminal law at the University of Ottawa.

The case - which had to balance Muslim religious rights, the sensitive issues involved when a sexual assault complainant is put on the stand, and an accused person's right to a fair trial - is "a perfect storm of issues," Mathen said.

N.S. wears a hijab - a full body dress - as well as a niqab - a veil that covers her face other than a slit for her eyes - when she is in public or in the presence of men who aren't direct family members.
At a preliminary inquest into N.S.'s allegations of sexual assault, she requested permission to testify while wearing her niqab based on her Muslim religious beliefs. At that time, she'd been wearing the niqab for about five years.

The preliminary inquiry judge ordered that N.S. remove her veil before testifying at the inquiry. After she refused, the case made its way through the Ontario court system and was heard by the Supreme Court of Canada in December 2011.

Lawyers for the accused argued that if N.S. is allowed to testify with her face covered, neither the judge nor the cross-examiner will be able to determine the truth of her testimony.

"Important elements of our legal system presume the importance of observing a witness, and this long-established presumption should not be lightly set aside," the counsel submitted in their factum.

While it's important that an accused person should be able to cross-examine their accuser, most scientific literature shows people are only as good or slightly better than chance at reading other people's true facial cues, said lawyer David Butt, who represents N.S.
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I have 1 child & live in Beverly Hills, California
posted 20th Dec
I think they should be able to.
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I have 3 angel babies & live in Florida
posted 20th Dec
Can't they get in trouble if they remove it in front of other men?
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I have 4 kids & live in Keenesburg, Colorado
posted 20th Dec
I'm sorry but that's stupid as smurf. You can't tell if someone is lying or telling the truth based on their face.
It's religious discrimination to not allow her to wear it. They already know who she is under the hijab. They are still "facing their accuser" regardless of what she's wearing. And if you could tell the truth of someone's statements based on facial expressions we would have no need for trials in the first place.
quotesmurfs?
posted 20th Dec
The hell... poor woman. I can tell more about how a person lies with their VOICE than with their face. And if we are supposed to assume that all people are being sworn under oath and telling the truth we need to take their testimony as truth... covered or not.
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I have 1 child & live in Golden, Colorado
posted 20th Dec
she should be allowed to wear it... i think its wrong to force her to take it off and make her even more uncomfortable.. they can use speical voice analysis sometimes to pick out th e lies
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I'm due July 20th (a boy), have 3 kids & live in Mueang Phuket, Thailand
posted 20th Dec
Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:" I'm sorry but that's stupid as smurf. You can't tell if someone is lying or telling the truth based on ... [snip!] ... could tell the truth of someone's statements based on facial expressions we would have no need for trials in the first place."

Oh no, you can definitely tell when people are uncomfortable with what they're saying by their face.
quotesmurfs?
I have 1 child & live in Beverly Hills, California
posted 20th Dec
It's her right to wear it! They wouldn't make a Jewish man remove his yamaka.
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I have 1 child & live in Beach Haven, New Jersey
posted 20th Dec
Quoting ☮ Phuket:" she should be allowed to wear it... i think its wrong to force her to take it off and make her even more uncomfortable.. they can use speical voice analysis sometimes to pick out th e lies"

In court? What? Not here.
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I have 1 child & live in Beverly Hills, California
posted 20th Dec
Off topic, but do Muslim women have to show their faces in driver's license photos? Or passports?
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I have 2 kids & live in Raleigh, North Carolina
posted 20th Dec
Quoting FroggysMommy:" The hell... poor woman. I can tell more about how a person lies with their VOICE than with their face. ... [snip!] ... that all people are being sworn under oath and telling the truth we need to take their testimony as truth... covered or not."

That's a good point.
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I have 1 child & live in Beverly Hills, California
posted 20th Dec
Quoting Danielle: Jack&Basil'sMom:" Off topic, but do Muslim women have to show their faces in driver's license photos? Or passports?"

Yeah, lol of course.
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I have 1 child & live in Beverly Hills, California
posted 20th Dec
Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:" I'm sorry but that's stupid as smurf. You can't tell if someone is lying or telling the truth based on ... [snip!] ... could tell the truth of someone's statements based on facial expressions we would have no need for trials in the first place."

Well I assure you this would never pass in the US. lol I'm doubting I can even find someone who tried to fight it in the US.
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I have 1 child & live in Beverly Hills, California
posted 20th Dec
<blockquote><b>Quoting Legendary Amanda:</b>" Yeah, lol of course. "</blockquote>




Well just asking because does that not violate their religion as well? Wanna see their faces? Card 'em.  
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I have 2 kids & live in Raleigh, North Carolina
posted 20th Dec
<blockquote><b>Quoting Danielle: Jack&Basil'sMom:</b>" Off topic, but do Muslim women have to show their faces in driver's license photos? Or passports?"</blockquote>




But they have to have a woman take it.
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I have 3 angel babies & live in Florida
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