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Walmart

posted 13th Dec
I read an article yesterday, stating that a local charity (food bank) turned down a donation from Walmart because of it's labor practices.

1. dont look a gift horse in the mouth, esp if you're trying to feed needy people.

2. dont complain about Walmart not giving part time employees benefits. Honestly... how many companies DO offer benefits for part time.. not too damn many. I read that their average full time employees make roughly 12.45 an hour.

3. I do agree that it puts local businesses at a disadvantage, but they are creating more jobs for people as well.

I personally dont like shopping at Walmart because it's too crowded and the customers drive me nuts, but it's the only store in our town. ha ha. But still.. kind of surprising.

What do you think?

Here's the article, BTW
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/11/us/arizona-wal-mart-rebuff/index.html

(CNN) -- An Arizona charity may have come out ahead by turning down a gift from the nation's largest retailer -- a snub that grabbed headlines and renewed interest in the labor practices of big business.
Casa Maria Free Kitchen, a Tucson-based food bank, rejected a $1,000 donation from Wal-Mart, joining a chorus of voices demanding better pay, fairer work schedules and affordable health care. The retailer had made $15,000 in donations to several charities as part of its typical outreach to community groups after opening a new store.
But the Arizona charity said Tuesday that their snub netted much more than what Wal-Mart had offered after an outpouring of local donations came from those concerned about the store's effect on union jobs and small businesses.
And yet, it may have all stemmed from a simple mistake.
On October 26, Wal-Mart opened a new outlet in Tucson, boasting 300 new jobs and pledging thousands to charities identified by local political leaders.
"We had expected Casa Maria to be at the grand opening," said Delia Garcia, a Wal-Mart spokeswoman.
But the food bank, which says it bags about 500 daily lunches for low- and no-income residents, never planned to attend.
"We had a big meeting about it and decided not to take the money," said charity organizer Brian Flagg.
But Wal-Mart still included the group in its news release, which it later called a miscommunication.
"At that point, we had to do something," said Flagg, who wrote a letter entitled "CORRECTION" to the editorial board of his local newspaper. From there, the attention snowballed as news outlets reported on the defiant local charity that had rebuffed the retail giant.
"At the very least, it got us talking about the 'Walmartization' of America, and whether that's a good thing," said Flagg. And those concerned about the discount stores' effects have continued opening their checkbooks, he added.
"I don't have a set dollar amount that we've received, but I'm sure it was substantially more than Wal-Mart offered us," Flagg said. "When people sent us checks, they also wrote 'thank for your stance on Wal-Mart.'"
The retailer responded Tuesday with a statement detailing its "long history of supporting Tucson nonprofits."
"Since 2009, Wal-Mart has donated more than $345,000 to local Tucson organizations that are supporting the community's needs," it said. "Our pay and benefits typically meet or exceed what's offered by the majority of our competitors; we promote from within, our turnover rate is below the industry average and our associates' satisfaction scores have trended higher over the past few years."
The average wage of a full-time Wal-Mart employee in Arizona is $12.52 per hour, with the company reporting that it picks up about 75% of premium health care costs. But part-time employees who work fewer than an average of 30 hours per week do not qualify for those benefits.
As a capital-versus-labor debate again flares up across the country, Flagg's rebuff drew a heady response.
"I have never given to Casa Maria before but when I read about them rejecting a donation from Wal-Mart I sent them a check," Tucson resident Kim Crooks posted on Facebook. "I have never been in a Wal-Mart and never will. They have come into to many communities and put the small locally run businesses out of business."
But the move also sparked criticism about whether the group had shirked its main responsibility to feed the hungry.
"I think that these people are horrible," Jen Switalski posted on the site. "As a charity they should take what they can get."
The local spate coincided with Black Friday demonstrations at Wal-Mart stores over pay, schedules and health care.
Critics also say the stores' low prices squeeze out mom-and-pop competitors, depress wages and encourage foreign-based manufacturing while discouraging unionized labor.
Supporters argue that Wal-Mart instead offers competitive wages and that its bargain prices foster consumer spending critical to a beleaguered economy.
Wal-Mart and firms like it, they say, also give low-income households a chance to purchase otherwise unaffordable luxury products such as large-screen televisions and other electronics.
So who's right?
According to a 2008 study by West Virginia University economics professor Russell Sobel, Wal-Mart has had no real impact on the number of small businesses in the United States. And while mom-and-pop stores that are forced to compete with the retail giant are often put out of business, other businesses have taken their place, the study found.
Others such as Robert Reich, a professor of public policy at the University of California at Berkeley and a former U.S. secretary of labor, argue that jobs filling those voids often offer low-wage, no-benefit occupations, limiting the purchasing power of America's middle class and poor.
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I have 2 kids & 2 angel babies & live in Arizona
posted 13th Dec
Really?! Their full time workers make more than I do, if that's the truth.



But, yeah, I don't think you should turn any gift away if you're collecting for charity.
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I'm due September 11th (a boy), have 1 child & live in Syracuse, New York
posted 13th Dec
I knew someone who worked part time at Walmart that did get benefits. They even started a 401k for her!
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I have 1 child & live in Mt Clemens, Michigan
posted 13th Dec
Even if places do offer part time employee's benefits, they rarely take it because it's a lot more expensive than full time. And I agree with #1. I don't know though, maybe some of the needy they're trying to feed were put out of work because of walmart?
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I have 1 child & live in Moore, Oklahoma
posted 13th Dec
They must not really care about helping people if they turned down a donation.
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I'm due July 13th (a girl), have 1 child & 2 angel babies & live in Idaho
posted 13th Dec
I think I hate Walmart and try to avoid it as much as possible. I have to go at least once a week and it blows.

I also think they shouldn't have turned the donation down... People could really use that food.
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I'm due August 17th (a boy), have 1 child & 1 angel baby & live in Arkansas
posted 13th Dec
I completely agree with you.
Walmart might "brag" about their donations but at least they are donating.
There were people who worked there in high school and made $8.50 starting when everyone else was making minimum wage (High school kids) which was $6.15.
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I have 1 child & live in Minnesota
posted 13th Dec
I totally agree with you. I do not think there is one person (or company) in the position to turn down help. Just ask the people that the soup kitchen is feeding where they would like the food to come from.
I personally do not shop at Wal-Mart but its is for the same reasons you listed. The customers mainly, for me anyway, are rude and treat the employees terrible as well. I dont think the company itself is all that bad, at least there are people who have jobs, right?
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I have 3 kids & live in Fort Worth, Texas
posted 13th Dec
I work 45 hours a week at Dunkin Donuts, and I'm still considered part time. If anyone wants to hate on a company, hate on that smurf. Full time worker, part time "benefits:"
quotesmurfs?
I have 2 kids & 1 angel baby & live in Boston, Massachusetts
posted 13th Dec
Quoting Ravey Candyass:" I work 45 hours a week at Dunkin Donuts, and I'm still considered part time. If anyone wants to hate on a company, hate on that smurf. Full time worker, part time "benefits:""

screw that......
quotesmurfs?
I have 1 child & live in Moore, Oklahoma
posted 13th Dec
Quoting Ravey Candyass:" I work 45 hours a week at Dunkin Donuts, and I'm still considered part time. If anyone wants to hate on a company, hate on that smurf. Full time worker, part time "benefits:""

WTF is that? Bullsmurf
quotesmurfs?
I have 2 kids & 2 angel babies & live in Arizona
posted 13th Dec
That is a ridiculously smurfed up reason to turn down a donation for the hungry  
quotesmurfs?
I have 2 kids & live in Ireland
posted 13th Dec
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" WTF is that? Bullsmurf"


right? Dunkin is a cheap ass company. There's only one Full Time slot available at my store, and some 19 year old kid has it.
quotesmurfs?
I have 2 kids & 1 angel baby & live in Boston, Massachusetts
posted 13th Dec
Quoting Ravey Candyass:" I work 45 hours a week at Dunkin Donuts, and I'm still considered part time. If anyone wants to hate on a company, hate on that smurf. Full time worker, part time "benefits:""

Are you like part-time flex?
Like when they don't consistently schedule you for fulltime hours?
quotesmurfs?
I have 2 kids & live in Ireland
posted 13th Dec
Quoting .Colleen.:" Are you like part-time flex? Like when they don't consistently schedule you for fulltime hours?"



I have no clue. The past 3 weeks I've been over 40 hours. and that's only on 5 days a week. idk if it will change after the holiday, but I know i'm going to tell them to cut me back. I can't handle 45 hours. I'm a pussy. lol
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I have 2 kids & 1 angel baby & live in Boston, Massachusetts
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