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People can be fat AND fit?

posted 13th Dec
Saw this whole googling for statistics on obesity in the US vs the UK, it piqued my curiosity.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2198513/People-fat-AND-fit-study-finds-obesity-doesnt-automatically-lead-ill-health.html

People can be fat AND fit as study finds obesity doesn't automatically lead to ill-health

5 September 2012


Nearly half of fat people are just as healthy as slim people - and at no more risk of developing heart problems or cancer, researchers claim.

Doing exercise can offset the dangers of being obese, the researchers found.


The study - which is the largest of its kind - abolishes the notion that obesity automatically leads to ill-health.

It shows that some fat people manage to remain ‘metabolically healthy’ even though their body mass index would suggest they are not.


They have less risk of dying prematurely than unhealthy obese people and up to half the risk of developing or dying from heart disease or cancer.


Other research suggests that, among those with heart problems, those who are underweight or even normal weight are actually worse off than those who are fat.


Overweight and obese people should not fight the flab after having a heart attack because they are more likely to outlive their leaner counterparts, the new data says.

The controversial findings come as Britain grapples with an obesity epidemic, with almost a quarter of Britons classified as obese and around half overweight.


But an international study of 43,265 people shows people can be obese but metabolically healthy and fit, with as much chance of keeping cardiovascular disease and cancer at bay as normal weight people.


Obese people who are metabolically healthy don’t suffer from conditions such as insulin resistance, diabetes and high cholesterol or blood pressure and are fitter, as measured by how well the heart and lungs perform, than other obese people.


The new study, which recruited Americans between 1979 and 2003 who underwent fitness tests, found 46 per cent of the obese recruits were metabolically healthy.


They had a 38 per cent lower risk of death from any cause than their metabolically unhealthy obese peers, and the same risk as healthy, normal weight participants.


The risk of developing or dying from heart disease or cancer was reduced by between 30-50 per cent for metabolically healthy, obese people, compared with fat unhealthy people, and was similar to those of normal weight.


Study leader Dr Francisco Ortega said ‘It is well known that obesity is linked to a large number of chronic disease such as cardiovascular problems and cancer.


‘However, there appears to be a sub-set of obese people who seem to be protected from obesity-related metabolic complications.


‘Our study suggests that metabolically healthy but obese people have a better fitness level than the rest of obese individuals.


‘We believe that getting more exercise broadly and positively influences major body systems and organs and consequently contributes to make someone metabolically healthier, including obese people.


‘In our study, we measure fitness, which is largely influenced by exercise.’

Dr Ortega is a research associate at the Department of Physical Activity and Sport, University of Granada, Spain), and at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden, but the investigation took place at the University of South Carolina, USA.


Dr Ortega said ‘Physicians should take into consideration that not all obese people have the same prognosis. Physician could assess fitness, fatness and metabolic markers to do a better estimation of the risk of cardiovascular disease and cancer of obese patients.


‘Our data support the idea that interventions might be more urgently needed in metabolically unhealthy and unfit obese people, since they are at a higher risk. This research highlights once again the important role of physical fitness as a health marker.’


The findings are published online today in the European Heart Journal.


A second study which analysed data from 64,000 heart patients in Sweden provides new evidence supporting the ‘obesity paradox’, which means fat patients with heart disease have ‘paradoxically’ better outcomes and survival than thinner patients.


The greatest risk of dying was among the underweight and morbidly obese, who have the very highest levels of obesity.


The lowest risk of death was found among overweight and obese patients, said researcher Dr Oskar Angerås, consultant cardiologist at the Sahlgrenska Academy, University of Gothenburg.


He said it was well known that maintaining a healthy weight could help avoid heart problems.


But advice to overweight and obese patients who have already developed heart problems to lose weight was wide of the mark as it might have a ‘negative effect’.


Excess weight may help because patients have more reserves to fight chronic disease than thinner patients.


Amy Thompson, Senior Cardiac Nurse at the British Heart Foundation (BHF), said: 'In the majority of cases, obesity is an undeniable risk factor for developing coronary heart disease. However, these studies remind us that it is not always your weight that’s important, but where you carry fat and also how it affects your health and fitness.


'It is particularly important to be aware of your weight if you are carrying excess fat around your middle. The fat cells here are really active, producing toxic substances that cause damage which can lead to heart disease. Maintaining a healthy diet with lots of physical activity can help to slim you down as well as reduce your risk of heart health problems.’

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Thoughts? Disagree, agree, reasoning?
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I have 1 child & live in Monterey, California
posted 13th Dec
A fat person in Sweden is fat on different foods than fat Americans. Study is not meaningful to me, because I'd guess there are too many confounding variables.

I would doubt the rigor of the study.


‘Our study suggests that metabolically healthy but obese people have a better fitness level than the rest of obese individuals.
lmao, duh!

*eta* and doesn't this all really mean only that thin people in this country are extremely unhealthy? I didn't see comparisons on the metabolic profiles of fat vs thin people, which leads me to believe there is a false dichotomy being set up.
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I'm TTC since February '11, have 1 child & 1 angel baby & live in Elephant Butte, New Mexico
posted 13th Dec
Quoting AllHeCanEat{EBFT}:" A fat person in Sweden is fat on different foods than fat Americans. Study is not meaningful to me, because ... [snip!] ... that metabolically healthy but obese people have a better fitness level than the rest of obese individuals. lmao, duh!"

You're only talking about the second study mentioned in the article, right?
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I have 1 child & live in Monterey, California
posted 13th Dec
Quoting AllHeCanEat{EBFT}:" A fat person in Sweden is fat on different foods than fat Americans. Study is not meaningful to me, because ... [snip!] ... that metabolically healthy but obese people have a better fitness level than the rest of obese individuals. lmao, duh!"
Yeah, same here.

Plus, "It shows that some fat people manage to remain ‘metabolically healthy’ even though their body mass index would suggest they are not." bmi is a crock, if that's what they're using to define "obese". I know a guy who is a very active, healthy man who's bmi puts him in the overweight range. He's solid muscle, not fat.
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I have 2 kids & live in Vantaa, Finland
posted 13th Dec
Quoting Leisurely Duchess:" You're only talking about the second study mentioned in the article, right?"

yeah

but I doubt the rigor involved with any of it...just seems like the conclusion Americans would be dying to hear.
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I'm TTC since February '11, have 1 child & 1 angel baby & live in Elephant Butte, New Mexico
posted 13th Dec
Quoting Viv, Ev & Gwen ♥:" Yeah, same here. Plus, "It shows that some fat people manage to remain ‘metabolically healthy’ even ... [snip!] ... "obese". I know a guy who is a very active, healthy man who's bmi puts him in the overweight range. He's solid muscle, not fat."

Yeah, plus--think of the percentage of US citizens morbidly obese--it's a lot...and the study definitely confirms that it has never has been a good idea to be morbidly obese (or anorexic). So I'm probably overweight at 6'1" and 200 pounds but I imagine I'd qualify as mostly healthy metabolically and otherwise. I eat pretty well etc...but rather high bmi gets me into the obesity range. So--yeah--what are the criteria again? lol
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I'm TTC since February '11, have 1 child & 1 angel baby & live in Elephant Butte, New Mexico
posted 13th Dec
Quoting AllHeCanEat{EBFT}:" Yeah, plus--think of the percentage of US citizens morbidly obese--it's a lot...and the study definitely ... [snip!] ... I eat pretty well etc...but rather high bmi gets me into the obesity range. So--yeah--what are the criteria again? lol"
I'm 5'10" and prepregnancy 185ish.
That puts me into the overweight category. I don't really feel I was. I was unhealthy, definitely, because I led a pretty sedentary lifestyle, but I did NOT need to lose 20-something pounds.
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I have 2 kids & live in Vantaa, Finland
posted 13th Dec
I am fat. I eat mostly very healthy things and yet I remain fat. I know why this is, it's because I hardly ever move my ass around and when I do have a treat like take-out or candy I tend to over do it. So I will go 2 weeks without candy then gorge on candy for a whole weekend or something. I think studies like the one in the OP are just making fat people think that it's ok to be fat and it really isn't. I hate being fat and I sure as hell am going to kick myself in the ass hard and do something about it. Sure there are some fat people who are genuinely healthy but they are few and far between. The average fat person like myself is either aware of their faults or are in serious denial and clutching to any excuse to justify their fatness.... like studies like these in the OP.
I also think that a lot of the fat people who claim to be fat and fabulously happy about it are just trying to convince themselves they are happy. I am guilty of it in the past. I used to tell people I was fine with my body but then why was I always dreaming and wishing I could lose more weight? I'm not just talking about people with a few extra pounds but I mean people like me who need to lose 150lb+.
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I have 1 child & live in United Kingdom
posted 13th Dec
I believe lifestyle is way more important than weight when it comes to health... and seeing as the odds of losing large amounts of weight and keeping it off long term has a 2-5% success rate, I think people would be better off focusing on gaining health from getting active and eating wholesome foods and let the weight do its thing naturally.

Here are some links that talk about it.

http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/full/10.1139/h11-058#.UMqn17Zgu-4

http://www.jabfm.org/content/25/1/9.full

http://thinkmuscle.com/health/obesity-health-metabolic-fitness/

http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM198603063141003

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=192035
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I'm TTC since April '08, have 1 child & live in Texas
posted 13th Dec
Cool article.

I am fat and do not have any major health problems, and I feel pretty fabulous physically most of the time.

Although I do realize that I would be healthier (i say healthier rather than healthy because I dont believe myself to be unhealthy)....it does not affect my self worth....I dont LOVE it, but is just is what it is, would like to lose weight, but not going to go into self-loathing mode over it. I am thinking of going to a gym again soon, thats how i lost weight the first time became overweight and lost it all.....just been lazy, but would be a good idea.....really dont want to gain more weight and go into middle age out of control obese and then end up with health problems.
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I'm TTC since December '05, have 2 kids & live in Florida
posted 15th Dec
Makes perfect sense to me. I've always been a proponant of a healthy lifestyle = healthy body regardless of "fat" level (for the most part). I am overweight, active and have no chronic health problems. I don't overeat, I exercise rigorously and I've maintained the same weight for the past year and a half or so regardless of what I do.
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I have 2 kids & 4 angel babies & live in Clearlake, California
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