re: Birth of Jesus, fact or total fiction?

Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" Fact. He was also who He said He was. Eyewitness accounts of His life and miracles would hold up in court, today."

Eyewitness accounts?

<blockquote><b>Quoting speaktruth2powr:</b>" Eyewitness accounts?"</blockquote>



Yes....if you believe the Bible. If not? <shrugs>

Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting speaktruth2powr:</b>" Eyewitness accounts?"</blockquote> Yes....if you believe the Bible. If not? <shrugs>"

The bible is parabolic not literal....it was never meant to be the literal truth.

<blockquote><b>Quoting speaktruth2powr:</b>" The bible is parabolic not literal....it was never meant to be the literal truth."</blockquote>


Ok.

Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting speaktruth2powr:</b>" The bible is parabolic not literal....it was never meant to be the literal truth."</blockquote> Ok."

Is that not the case? Please, correct me if I'm wrong....

Quoting speaktruth2powr:" Is that not the case? Please, correct me if I'm wrong...."

No it is meant to be the literal truth. There are certain parts, especially when a person is speaking that can be taken as metaphors(The Parables of Jesus), but the describing of actual events is meant to be taken in a literal sense.

<blockquote><b>Quoting speaktruth2powr:</b>" Is that not the case? Please, correct me if I'm wrong...."</blockquote>




Jesus' life wasn't a parable. The things that are parables, were told as such.

I've already looked at all of the "comparable" stories that others have mentioned in this thread and I have found them to be untrue.

Quoting Trup.sebteri:" No it is meant to be the literal truth. There are certain parts, especially when a person is speaking ... [snip!] ... can be taken as metaphors(The Parables of Jesus), but the describing of actual events is meant to be taken in a literal sense."

How do you explain the historic inaccuracies?

<blockquote><b>Quoting speaktruth2powr:</b>" How do you explain the historic inaccuracies?"</blockquote>




Each "inaccuracy" needs to be addressed alone.

Which ones are you speaking of?

Quoting speaktruth2powr:" How do you explain the historic inaccuracies?"

Such as?

Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting speaktruth2powr:</b>" Is that not the case? Please, correct ... [snip!] ... already looked at all of the "comparable" stories that others have mentioned in this thread and I have found them to be untrue."

How do you know that the other stories are untrue? Brahma stated in the Bhagavad Gita that it was the truth and the birth of Krishna and his death are said to be true in all accounts of his life.

<blockquote><b>Quoting khigh:</b>" How do you know that the other stories are untrue? Brahma stated in the Bhagavad Gita that it was the truth and the birth of Krishna and his death are said to be true in all accounts of his life."</blockquote>



Just done a ton of reading.

The Bible feels right, seems right and sits well with me when I read it. I've had very serious debates regarding "proof" and all of that jazz.

I'm a little burned out with the debate of it all.

If Jesus lied about who He was, thenyou He wasn't a "good" man. He was a liar ...or crazy....and I believe He was neither a liar ir crazy.

The prophecy in the Bible alone, is overwhelming to me.

Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting khigh:</b>" How do you know that the other stories are untrue? ... [snip!] ... a liar ...or crazy....and I believe He was neither a liar ir crazy. The prophecy in the Bible alone, is overwhelming to me."

I personally believe that Jesus was alive, but that he was an incarnation of Brahma sent to teach the Jews and Gentiles about love and peace. Have you heard of Saint Issa? It's what some scholars call the Lost Years of Jesus, where someone born at the same time of Jesus of Nazareth went to India and proclaimed to be the Son of God and taught the love of one God.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/issa.htm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-davids/jesus-lost-years-may-fina_b_179513.html

<blockquote><b>Quoting khigh:</b>" I personally believe that Jesus was alive, but that he was an incarnation of Brahma sent to teach the ... [snip!] ... http://reluctant-messenger.com/issa.htm http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-davids/jesus-lost-years-may-fina_b_179513.html"</blockquote>




I have read about Issa...a tiny bit. I am recalling the association to Jesus, though....or maybe that was esus? Shoot.

Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting khigh:</b>" I personally believe that Jesus was alive, but ... [snip!] ... I have read about Issa...a tiny bit. I am recalling the association to Jesus, though....or maybe that was esus? Shoot."

There was a manuscript found in the Himylayas that talks about a man of Arab descent that told the swamis to preach to people love and joy every day and not just on holy days. It also talks about a man named Issa that told them to stop sacrificing humans and animals to their gods.

It's really fascinating because, well, there are 18 years of his life missing from the Bible and the Silk Road was well travelled by the time of his supposed birth. It's believed that the Magis who came to see him at his birth had travelled the Silk Road from Tibet. It's also well documented that Thomas died in India after living there for 20 years. It would have had to have been after the death of Jesus.