re: Adam and Eve

Quoting khigh:" Here are your flat Earth quotes: Revelation 7:1 1 And after these things I saw four angels standing ... [snip!] ... Oooooh, and it doesn't move? "He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"

The Oxford English Dictionary defines "corner" to mean:
An extremity or end of the earth; a region, quarter; a direction or quarter from which the wind blows.

The word "corner" comes from a Latin root cornu, meaning "horn." That this is so survives in English via such words as "cornet," "corn," and "cornucopia." Hence, the four corners of the earth can be interpreted as referring to the four cardinal directions -- north, south, east and west. In addition, the "four corners of the earth" can also be interpreted as four "horns" of the earth. One obvious example of such a "horn" is Cape Horn, the southernmost tip of South America. So the usage of the phrase "four corners of the earth" does not signify a flat, rectangular earth.

However, In Isaiah 40:22 it says "22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,.." and in Job 26:10 the Bible says " He drew a circular horizon on the face of the waters, At the boundary of light and darkness."

Quoting khigh:" Faith is blind. I QUESTION science. I DO NOT take it as fact. Although it is common knowledge, ... [snip!] ... http://www.wisegeek.com/how-long-have-humans-been-around-relative-to-the-earths-age.htm"

What you say is common knowledge is information and estimates from scientists and archaeologists based on their fallible tests and since those tests are on objects that are so old there is no way to verify those test results as being accurate. It's easy to say that something is 20 million years old when there is no possible way to verify that as fact. So again, even if you are questioning science what you have stated as "Common knowledge" Is actually the opinions and estimates of fallible humans who are basing their opinions on fallible tests with no possible way of being proven completely accurate.

Circle, not sphere.

And, you didn't answer the other two. Spheres don't have LENGTHS. How can you measure the LENGTH of the Earth if it is a sphere.

And, I guess you agree that the Bible states that the Earth does not move?

Quoting Kaleighshaleigh:" What you say is common knowledge is information and estimates from scientists and archaeologists based ... [snip!] ... of fallible humans who are basing their opinions on fallible tests with no possible way of being proven completely accurate."

Then you must say the same thing about the Bible. You CANNOT prove it and it was written by FALLIBLE humans.

Carbon dating is more accurate than a goat herder with a stick drawing in the sand.

Quoting khigh:" No. You are stating a FABLE as fact. The Grimm brothers wrote a book of moral beliefs that are just as factual as your Bible."

You can insult my Holy Bible by calling it a Fable if you wish, but that doesn't effect my faith in the scriptures in the slightest. It's okay if you don't agree with me. There is no reason to insult my religion or my Holy Book.

Quoting Kaleighshaleigh:" You can insult my Holy Bible by calling it a Fable if you wish, but that doesn't effect my faith in ... [snip!] ... scriptures in the slightest. It's okay if you don't agree with me. There is no reason to insult my religion or my Holy Book."

It's not an insult. It's the truth. Hell, the holy works I read and follow are fables. The only difference is that Hindus are smart enough to question our beliefs and know that they are just stories.

Now, this is insulting, though you say is entirely plausible:

Quoting khigh:" Circle, not sphere. And, you didn't answer the other two. Spheres don't have LENGTHS. How can you ... [snip!] ... the LENGTH of the Earth if it is a sphere. And, I guess you agree that the Bible states that the Earth does not move?"

"Circle not sphere" Really? Well... Obviously not flat.

Geeze.. are we going to do this all night?

Okay...in regards to "The Earth Does not move.."
In the verse that you gave Psalm 104:5....If you read the entire book of Psalm and keep the verse in context you will see that that "never be moved" describes the stability of the earth. In this case the secure allocation of water and dry land to the proper places.

And in regards to the lengths of the earth.... There were many people at that time that did believe that the earth was flat and Zophar may have been one of them. So when he asked a question Job likely responded in a way that he would understand. However, the point of that verse has nothing to do with the shape of the earth. The point of the verse is about the depth and extent of God's work.

You know, I grew up being taught the bible, but I'm just at the point of I don't know. I think things evolve over time. Maybe it was all created and then evolution naturally occurred as a part of the natural state of the world.

Quoting khigh:" Then you must say the same thing about the Bible. You CANNOT prove it and it was written by FALLIBLE humans. Carbon dating is more accurate than a goat herder with a stick drawing in the sand."

No I must not, because unlike science books I believe that God inspired the words of the Bible and it's easy for me to believe that the creator of the universe can use men to put a book together.

And when it comes to carbon dating...A critical assumption is used in carbon-14 dating. From what I have read it is assumed that the ratio of Carbon 14 to Carbon 12 in the atmosphere has always been the same as it is today (1 to 1 trillion). If this assumption is true, then the AMS (Accelerator Mass Spectrometry) Carbon 14 dating method is valid up to about 80,000 years. Beyond this number, the instruments scientists use would not be able to detect enough remaining Carbon 14 to be useful in age estimates. This is a critical assumption in the dating process. If this assumption is not true, and the atmosphere wasn't the same at the time the object died, then the method will give incorrect dates, which may not be much different than a goat herder with a stick.

So, the people that wrote the Bible had an invisible being telling them what to write? We call that Schizophrenia now.

Quoting khigh:" It's not an insult. It's the truth. Hell, the holy works I read and follow are fables. The only difference ... [snip!] ... to question our beliefs and know that they are just stories. Now, this is insulting, though you say is entirely plausible: "

No, the scriptures say he entered Jerusalem on a donkey, not a dinosaur. But hey...He's God. If he wanted a dinosaur he could have had one.  

Quoting khigh:" So, the people that wrote the Bible had an invisible being telling them what to write? We call that Schizophrenia now."

Okay...I think I'm done. It's 1 am...time for bed.

Quoting Kaleighshaleigh:" I'm one of those people that believe the Bible as it is written. I believe that Adam and Eve were humans ... [snip!] ... creationism or evolution you're talking about faith. I put my faith in the scriptures and others put their faith in science."

That is so insulting lol

Quoting Kaleighshaleigh:" Ummm...sort of.   Here is what I believe and why. According to the scripture that I believe it says ... [snip!] ... see science as the authority and if the Bible doesn't fit into whatever a scientist tells them then it isn't accurate."

That is patently absurd.

First of all, scientists are not required to check the Bible specifically vs other holy texts, you silly egocentric woman.

Secondly, certain claims in the Bible have been proven to be absolutely false without even considering evolution, showing that a literal reading of the entire Bible is erroneous.

Thirdly, there are plenty of Christian scientists that still believe the Bible is accurate and that following Jesus' teachings has nothing to do with the shape of the earth, how old the earth is, if the sun goes around the earth or if the earth moves, if the earth suffered a global flood, or how god created humans. All that is important is that god did create life and that they have a better understanding of how he did it..

Since you are a Bible literalist, then you believe the following, right?

1. The earth is a flat disc covered by a dome- or tent-shaped firmament.
2. The stars are attached to the firmament and can fall to the earth.
3. The earth does not move.
4. The earth is supported by pillars.
5. There is a layer of water above the firmament.
6. The sun goes around the earth.



The BioLogos Foundation was created by evangelical Christians, many of the contributors scientists themselves, some others are clergy, theologians and philosophers. It is a great resource for Christians on a variety of subjects, from Christian doctrine to scripture interpretation to history of Christianity/Bible to science. I suggest you give it a try before you make another comment about this topic.

http://biologos.org/about

Quoting Kaleighshaleigh:" The Oxford English Dictionary defines "corner" to mean: An extremity or end of the earth; a region, ... [snip!] ... and in Job 26:10 the Bible says " He drew a circular horizon on the face of the waters, At the boundary of light and darkness.""

A circle. IS A FLAT DISC.

This is what you get from literalism