Quoting Leisurely Duchess:" If my parents were fundies I probably wouldn't tell them either. smh People like that are why there are many atheists in the closet"

I've never met his parents since they live in Alabama, but from what I know he's very close to them. They're actually politically liberal so they're not like some psycho nuts I know of, but I think Briant feels like he would be letting them down if he told them he wasn't religious? Like his entire family is very religious and I don't think he wants to be the odd ball out.

Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Leisurely Duchess:</b>" If my parents were fundies I probably ... [snip!] ... I think parents who are fundies probably produce a lot of atheists when compared to non-fundie Christians."

Most atheists I know come from religious families, but not me lol. My mother is an atheist, my grandmother is an atheist. My dad grew up in a very strict Catholic upbringing and his brother is even a priest, but my dad is agnostic I think and so is my stepmom. I wasn't raised with religion at all.

Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:" Briant grew up in a VERY Christian home. Like he went to private school his whole life and he wasn't ... [snip!] ... allowed to celebrate Halloween. He is now an atheist and has been for about 4 years and still hasn't told his parents lmao."

I get that. My parents have no idea what religion I am...I just smile & nod. It's much easier.

My problem? I have a talkative 5 yr old & this stuff is getting ready to get complicated. :S I have NO idea who to deal with it. My mom is old school catholic & she WILL end up going to her deathbed thinking she will burn in hell for failing to "raise me right" and I do actually somehow feel bad for that. Overall she's a great mom - so I have tried my ASS off to believe - I just don't.

Quoting Crystallized:" I think I lean more towards indifference now. I'm not exactly sure how to word it. I don't believe in ... [snip!] ... I probably never will) I just don't care, lol. I'm here. I'm alive. I trust my basic human instincts and morals just fine."

"when I hear my mother talking about God and how she deserves death at his hands for her sinful ways, I just think of a terribly abusive relationship"

THIS!!! Perfect way to put it.

I'd be okay with it but secretly heartbroken. I wouldnt love my child any less, but I know the battles he will have to fight simply because he is gay which is why I woud be heartbroken.

So I watched For the Bible tells me so, as recommended in this thread, and it was great! Explained a lot. Including how being with a man would be considered an abomination, but so was is eating fish, rabits, ect

Quoting justanothamotha:" I get that. My parents have no idea what religion I am...I just smile & nod. It's much easier. ... [snip!] ... and I do actually somehow feel bad for that. Overall she's a great mom - so I have tried my ASS off to believe - I just don't."

I'm kind of scared for if/when SO and I have kids. I'm really worried his mother is going to insist that we raise them in the church and baptize them, and there is no way in smurf I will do that. Briant isn't against private school because that's how he was raised, but I'm very much against it because basically every private school is religious and I never want my child taught that smurf is true.

Quoting Smartass *TTC*:" So I watched For the Bible tells me so, as recommended in this thread, and it was great! Explained a ... [snip!] ... Explained a lot. Including how being with a man would be considered an abomination, but so was is eating fish, rabits, ect"

Glad you liked it! And how "abomination" doesn't actually mean sin. It means "different from the norm."

<blockquote><b>Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:</b>" Glad you liked it! And how "abomination" doesn't actually mean sin. It means "different from the norm.""</blockquote>


Co worker informed me that OBVIOUSLY we can eat shrimp now.... But being gay is still wrong.


I guess some people will always be stuck in their ways.

i wouldnt buy him a dress or anything girl "related" but thats me, im also aware if my son ends up gay he was born this way it wasnt something i did.

i let him use chap stick (he owns his own) he knows my make up and he knows dresses heels etc. i dont encourange him to play w my stuff bc it is girl stuff but i wont be mad at him or upset if he ends up gay or undecided etc.

Quoting Smartass *TTC*:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:</b>" Glad you liked it! And how "abomination" ... [snip!] ... OBVIOUSLY we can eat shrimp now.... But being gay is still wrong. I guess some people will always be stuck in their ways."

Shrimp can kill people. Being gay has never killed anyone. lmfao

Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:" I'm kind of scared for if/when SO and I have kids. I'm really worried his mother is going to insist ... [snip!] ... very much against it because basically every private school is religious and I never want my child taught that smurf is true."

Well surprisingly my mom has never tried to insist - she hints though. :S So far my evasive tactics have worked. There would be no argument - just an everlasting guilt trip that would put a damper on the family gatherings.

I can honestly say with 100% certainty that I would support my child 100% if he came out. The only issue I would have with something like that happening is that I know people can be cruel. This is the only reason I secretly hope my child isn't gay. It's not because I have a problem with homosexuality, it's because I have a problem with how mean people can be and I know gay children are often the subject of much scrutiny and bullying.

In the end I genuinely wish my son much happiness and if that includes identifying as a homosexual in order to fill entirely whole as a person then by all means I hope he does just that. I sincerely want him to do whatever it takes to feel like he truly knows himself. I want him to be honest about who he is and what he wants in life and I want him to feel comfortable pursuing his goals.

Quoting justanothamotha:" Well surprisingly my mom has never tried to insist - she hints though. :S So far my evasive tactics have ... [snip!] ... have worked. There would be no argument - just an everlasting guilt trip that would put a damper on the family gatherings."

This makes me so glad my family is not religious lol.

Quoting Smartass *TTC*:" What if your child is gay? We all say "I just want my child to be happy" But is that true? The more ... [snip!] ... be because he wore a Cinderella dress when he was 4. But let's say my son is gay. Fine by me. I honestly could not care less."

This thread is long and I havent read it... but what did she say to you?

My thoughts are weird... I hope this makes sense. But I HATE the term "coming out." I hate that people have to come out. I never sat down my parents, scared out of my mind, and said "Mom, Dad, Im straight" and hoped i wouldn't be kicked out. So WHY do glbt persons have to ddo it? I hope that I raise my child in such a way that if she IS lesbian (and I do believe it is genetic and runs in families and if it is true, its a good chance she could be at least bi due to our family) she comes to me and is all nonchalant like "Mom can I have some money to get Alyssa some flowers, I want to ask her out to the dance." And have it be. Not "Mom, I'm a lesbian" just, "I want to get this girl a gift" or "Wow that girl is BEAUTIFUL! Should I go ask for her number?" Ya know, I just want it to be as ordinary as can be.

But if she did have to have that big talk with me, I'd just say "I'll support you no matter what. But if anyone hurts you, boy OR girl, Ill beat their ass! Now, what do you want for dinner?" As I hug her. NOT make it a big deal.

I just hate that people even have to have that talk. My half sister was disowned for being a lesbian. When she found me on myspace she said "Im your sister Lisa, I hope you know about me.........(insert some stuff about her here and her being nervous about writing me)..... but I do have to say, I am lesbian and if you cant accept that then let's just not speak further." The first sentence I said was "Yes, I've always known about you. My parents never hid you from me and Jessica. That being said... you are my sister. Of course we accept you. I have always been pro GLBT rights, and I will accept anyone that you are with if they treat you well!" And from there I got to know my awesome sister and her wife