Extreme Teen Behavor Problems.[long]

Ok, my brother just turned 13. But he's been acting out since 2nd grade. A quick rap up of his educational history:
2nd grade-undermining teachers & other faculty, kicked out of his class.
3-4 grade-in alternative schools, almost kicked out of the school district.
5 grade-better behavoir, but still causing minor problems.
6-[[he's been held back last year so he is still in 6th grade]]
He got sent to AC[alternative class], then got kicked out of there and taken to High Point[an alt. class that is downtown], and then got out of there and then got in more trouble and was in ISS[in-school suspension] for almosta month.
Now, he isn't going to his d-halls or tutoring, and he keeps backmouthing the teachers.

Now for his home life. He never listens to my mother, and I know everyone says, "well that's a kid" lol, but this is more severe. He'll say he's on his way home from school, and then he won't show up til 830pm, when school gets out at 4. He makes up these bullshit stories that my mom and I know are fake, and then he has these anger problems when he gets caught in a lie.
The last time I was there, he was all nice and sweet to my mom, even had me take him to go buy her a 22$ orchid, a card, and her favorite candy. He came home, gave it her, hugged & kissed, blah, blah, blah.....
Well, she told him to go do his math HW, and he had me help him, and once he got the hang of it, I had him do it by himself. He was doing it in pen, and I asked him to go get a pencil. Well, he flipped shit, threw the pen, got a pencil and started screaming saying we're all stupid and whatnot. Well, I took Alice into the living room with me, because that's not shit I want her to be around, and my mom came into her office and was filing some stuff when she heard this strange noise. So she goes into the bedroom and sees him ruining her flower by ripping it apart and breaking the stem. So, she smacked the SHIT out of him, which I found hilarious, and sent him up to his room. Then I went up there, had Alice stay with my mom, and took a part a piece of his drum set, so he couldn't play it. I told him each time he gets in trouble, I'm taking a piece of his drumset.
Then he told me to shut the fuck up and never to talk to him again.
Well today, he was supposed to be at d-hall, and he wasn't there. My mom went to d-hall to talk with his teacher, and my brother didn't show. My mom had a meeting to be at, so she HAD to leave, and my brother just called her and said he just got out of d-hall and he'll be home soon....he has NO clue that my mom knows he wasn't where he said he was, and she's keeping it that way til she comes home tonight.

We dunno what to do...on Wed. she's taking him to get tested for Bipolar and ODD[opositional defiance disorder] is there anyone who can help??


Thanks for listening.

That boy needs an attitude adjustment if you ask me. I am bi polar...Ive acted out before but thats a little extreme.

In my opinion it doesn't sound like he's Bipolar. It sounds like he has Borderline Personality Disorder. The Mood Swings for Borderlines are more severe and quicker. A Borderline will be fine one moment but the next will plummet into a low. Males tend to be more violent than females when it comes to this disorder, and with it comes problems with accepting and respecting authority, poor grades, anger and behavioral issues, learning problems from a short attention span amongst other things.

I think it would be best if your mom sought some kind of inpatient treatment for him though. No matter what he has, one day he's going to end up hurting someone badly from the looks of it. I can almost guarantee that he'll screw around with outpatient treatment, which is why inpatient would probably be better for him. I'm really sorry you guys have to go through this, I would reccommend also getting in touch with NAMI (National Alliance for the Mentally Ill) and see what options there are in your area.

Edited to add:
This is just my two cents from personal experience. I have Borderline Personality Disorder and I acted the exact same way when I was that age.

Quoting *1week, 3days To Go*:“ That boy needs an attitude adjustment if you ask me. I am bi polar...Ive acted out before but thats a little extreme.”

yeah, that's what I was thinking lol

My son has been diagnosed with ADHD. That was about 2 yrs ago (he was eight). I think your mom is right by taking him to the doctor. My advice...don't just let them throw medication at him. Make sure they offer therapy. I made that mistake, and now his school social worker believes it might be bi-polar. I had him on sooo many different meds, and now I regret it. Is there any problems at home that are recent (parents split, recent move, change in schools)? It could be something other than a disorder.

Edit...8 came out like a   sorry

Quoting Dbl J's:“ My son has been diagnosed with ADHD. That was about 2 yrs ago (he was  . I think your mom is right by ... [snip!] ... problems at home that are recent (parents split, recent move, change in schools)? It could be something other than a disorder.”

no, no changes at all.
& he was diagnosed with ADHD, but my mom doesn't believe in that or ADD lol.

I was going to say Borderline Personality too. Do you think your mom would want to take him to a therapist? I would probably try that. My brother wasn't ever that bad but he had hella crazy anger problems and his psychologist helped a lot. Hopefully things get better in your house.

Quoting Beth [due 12-1-08]:“ I was going to say Borderline Personality too. Do you think your mom would want to take him to a therapist? ... [snip!] ... that bad but he had hella crazy anger problems and his psychologist helped a lot. Hopefully things get better in your house.”

she's takin him next week.
& its not in my house lol, its in their house.

Quoting Poofter.:“ Ok, my brother just turned 13. But he's been acting out since 2nd grade. A quick rap up of his educational ... [snip!] ... him to get tested for Bipolar and ODD[opositional defiance disorder] is there anyone who can help?? Thanks for listening.”

Ibelieve he is bipolar.


or borderline personality disorder.

My friend and neighbor Tara is having pretty much the EXACT same issues with her son Zack. Tara however isn't big enough to subdue him so he has hurt her before.

She even had to call the police once because he was kicking the shit out of her.

I keep telling her to get him tested but she is afraid of the drugs.


Kid is gonna end up in a world of hurt without them....

Quoting Satan:“ Ibelieve he is bipolar. or borderline personality disorder. My friend and neighbor Tara is having ... [snip!] ... I keep telling her to get him tested but she is afraid of the drugs. Kid is gonna end up in a world of hurt without them....”

my mom has him sleep over here some weekends when she works late, & she told me&david if we need to, to knock the piss out of him for being a douche lol

Quoting Poofter.:“ my mom has him sleep over here some weekends when she works late, & she told me&david if we need to, to knock the piss out of him for being a douche lol”

hmmm you should see something.

BRB see if i can find it.

Quoting Poofter.:“ no, no changes at all. & he was diagnosed with ADHD, but my mom doesn't believe in that or ADD lol.”

The social worker at my sons school said, a lot of docs will diagnose kids with ADHD or ADD when they are young. I forgot what she called it maybe a "blanket diagnosis." She said that when they are older they can better diagnose other disorders i.e...bi-polar or bpd. That's why the meds don't always work. I wish they would have told me that. I would have waited instead of trying med after med.

Quoting Poofter.:“ she's takin him next week. & its not in my house lol, its in their house.”

Just kidding lol. Well hopefully things get better in your mom's house haha. My sister is now 16 and has been a freaking brat like that for like 4 years. She gets crazy mood swings like one minute she's hanging out with everyone and then the next minute she freaks out and stomps down to her room. My mom says she just has "middle child syndrome" Who knows.

here is one.

and another.

these are younger children....but from what i have heard about the disorder it does progress.