re: school and religion

<blockquote><b>Quoting LolaMcKitten:</b>" LMFAO - crusades, much? I can name SO many times in throughout history where Christians have shed blood ... [snip!] ... - how many laws have people tried to pass that have their basis in Christianity? Your point really isn't all that valid. "</blockquote>



Um, my point is completely valid. Freedom for ALL. How can you say that isn't a valid point?

I wasn't part of the Crusades, nor am I Catholic. I am not a member of the KKK and I've never owned slaves. I never called for killing the Jews. I also never burned anyone at the stake.

Quoting LolaMcKitten:" Well when you associate yourself with people and groups that have done horrible things, then you'll have that. ;)"

And yet many advances, and saving of books were done by christians. I think it's a far stretch to pin stuff done hundreds of years ago to christians now as well.

Quoting LolaMcKitten:" LMFAO - crusades, much? I can name SO many times in throughout history where Christians have shed blood ... [snip!] ... - how many laws have people tried to pass that have their basis in Christianity? Your point really isn't all that valid. "

So did muslims, jews, pagans, there are always extreme members who show violence without any group.

Quoting MysticWitchKat:" And yet many advances, and saving of books were done by christians. I think it's a far stretch to pin stuff done hundreds of years ago to christians now as well."

Yeah but you can't just sit there and act like Christians have never done anything wrong or don't currently - because they have and they do. Again, if you associate yourself with people who do things that are wrong, then sorry, you have to deal with the repercussions. Sorry - Christianity is the reason my family was never "legal" and because of their laws and beliefs and hatred of many of them, my wife is now dead - so yes, sorry, I do believe they continue to do things that are wrong.

Quoting MysticWitchKat:" So did muslims, jews, pagans, there are always extreme members who show violence without any group."

Yeah and if you associate yourself with those people then you have to deal with the fact people will associate you with the idiots who ruin it for everyone else.

Quoting LolaMcKitten:" Yeah but you can't just sit there and act like Christians have never done anything wrong or don't currently ... [snip!] ... and hatred of many of them, my wife is now dead - so yes, sorry, I do believe they continue to do things that are wrong. "

I don't think anywone did.

<blockquote><b>Quoting LolaMcKitten:</b>" Yeah but you can't just sit there and act like Christians have never done anything wrong or don't currently ... [snip!] ... and hatred of many of them, my wife is now dead - so yes, sorry, I do believe they continue to do things that are wrong. "</blockquote>



You're white....you racist! Guilty by association.  

Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting LolaMcKitten:</b>" LMFAO - crusades, much? I can name SO many ... [snip!] ... member of the KKK and I've never owned slaves. I never called for killing the Jews. I also never burned anyone at the stake."

It's not the freedom part - it's the fact that your acting like Christians are victims of some kind of "anti-god" movement or something. It's laughable.

Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting LolaMcKitten:</b>" Yeah but you can't just sit there and act ... [snip!] ... they continue to do things that are wrong. "</blockquote> You're white....you racist! Guilty by association.  "

Race isn't a choice there skippy.

<blockquote><b>Quoting LolaMcKitten:</b>" It's not the freedom part - it's the fact that your acting like Christians are victims of some kind of "anti-god" movement or something. It's laughable. "</blockquote>



This is about a boy who was suspended for praying in the hallway of his school. He harmed ZERO people.

How I process what's going on in the world around me is my prerogative. But I do not just defend Christians. I defend Americans. I defend PEOPLE.

You talk about biases and then state your own biases like they are valid.

That is what's laughable.

<blockquote><b>Quoting LolaMcKitten:</b>" Race isn't a choice there skippy. "</blockquote>




And what choice have I made, that makes you so, incredibly bitter?

You don't even know me.

You're such a bitter person.

<blockquote><b>Quoting LolaMcKitten:</b>" Well when you associate yourself with people and groups that have done horrible things, then you'll have that. ;)"</blockquote>




Every religious group has done something horrible. And so have atheists. So pretty much what your saying is if I associate with anyone that will happen. I dont think so.

Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting LolaMcKitten:</b>" It's not the freedom part - it's the fact ... [snip!] ... I defend PEOPLE. You talk about biases and then state your own biases like they are valid. That is what's laughable."

This has ceased to be about the little boy praying in school. While I don't think people should be praying out loud in school, I think the "punishment" was very extreme for something like that. If I were a teacher and saw two kids doing what they were doing, I would probably just ignore it. The others are right - there are SO many other distracting things going on and probably kids doing things that probably SHOULD be punished, it just seems like the teacher had a bug in her ass. We had a group of kids in our school who would all meet at the flagpole in the mornings and stand in a circle holding hands and praying, in fact I am pretty sure I even remember there being teachers who would join sometimes - THAT is something I can see people being concerned about. It was a big deal, the kids participating would often be late for their first class and they would never get in trouble for it - but if they were to do it quietly without a spectacle and in a way where it wasn't disrupting people, I wouldn't care, but I don't think the teachers should have joined in, even if they agreed with what the kids were doing it, just feels like bad judgement on their part. Whats funny is that this was in NY - we are very liberal up there, so it was very odd that no one ever said anything about it.

But yes - everyone has their biases - have YOU ever been specifically victimized by an atheist or someone from a different religion? Has YOUR family ever been torn apart and your children lose a parent due to a religious groups bias against you and determination to pass laws that effect your daily life? I'm going to go out on a limb and say no.

Quoting RachelRainne:" <blockquote><b>Quoting LolaMcKitten:</b>" Well when you associate yourself with people ... [snip!] ... And so have atheists. So pretty much what your saying is if I associate with anyone that will happen. I dont think so."

Actually - yeah. I choose to associate myself with atheism with the understanding that there are people out there who view the group negatively, it doesn't change the way I feel or what I DON'T believe in, but I accept the fact that there are dumbasses who give it a bad name.

Also just because someone says they are a Christian doesnt mean they are. Actions speak A LOT louder than words. There are extremists in every religion and atheism but that doesnt make the whole religion or belief and its people bad people. It makes the individuals that do wrong, and resort to violence and extreme things bad.