Trying kids as adults

It has been a long day so bear with me if this doesn't make perfect sense.

On my time with Babygaga I have seen a lot of stories posted about tragedies involving children. One of the most recent I've seen is the fourteen year old girl who gave birth to her child in the toilet and strangled him to death. The D&Ds that have been posted stemming from that have mostly involved the question "should this girl be charged as an adult?" and surprisingly, I've seen an overwhelming amount of women say yes, try this fourteen year old as an adult. She made the adult decision to have sex and keep her pregnancy a secret, she should handle the adult consequences.

Now, I completely understand the desire to lock her up and throw away the key. She killed an infant, a deplorable act. However, does the heinousness of her crime cause you to think of her (or want to think of her) as an adult? Say instead of giving birth to her baby and killing him, her mother or father killed her and the baby. Would you still consider her an adult, or would you say "this poor little girl was murdered!"?

I ask this because I'm noticing some hypocrisy. How many of you who call for this girl (or any young teen in a similar situation) to be tried as an adult, called George Zimmerman a child murderer? How many of you referred to Trayvon as a kid?

What I'm seeing here is that, it's an innocent kid if he or she is killed, but once he or she does the killing, they turn into an adult.

Does that make sense? It does in my head.

Our actions define who we are. Killing is considered an adult action, therefore, she made an adult decision to kill her child instead of getting help. PLUS, in her circumstances, it was premeditated. She wasn't thinking like a child, but an adult, therefore, she should be viewed as the choice she made, which is adult. JMO

Quoting bbbt:" It has been a long day so bear with me if this doesn't make perfect sense. On my time with Babygaga ... [snip!] ... he or she is killed, but once he or she does the killing, they turn into an adult. Does that make sense? It does in my head. "

I get what you're saying completely.
It's completely, "That poor baby!" when the 17 year old gets killed.
But then it turns to, "What a horrid,horrid man!" when the 17 year old kills.

It's not that they "turn into an adult" when they kill someone, it's that they showed enough thought during the crime to be tried as an adult. Knowing the difference between right and wrong is one of those things that help you be tried as an adult. She's still 14, still a CHILD, but because her actions were so heinous, she could be punished at the adult level. I don't care who you are, a 14 yr old knows that it's wrong to kill something, let alone their own child.

Quoting Chelsea Dawns Mama:" Our actions define who we are. Killing is considered an adult action, therefore, she made an adult decision ... [snip!] ... She wasn't thinking like a child, but an adult, therefore, she should be viewed as the choice she made, which is adult. JMO"

But, if she were killed, she'd be a poor kid again. But as soon as she does something heinous, she's not a kid anymore.

That doesn't make any sense to me.

Quoting The failed abortion.[+2]:" I get what you're saying completely. It's completely, "That poor baby!" when the 17 year old gets killed. But then it turns to, "What a horrid,horrid man!" when the 17 year old kills."

Yes! That's exactly what I'm saying.

Quoting E.P. Mom:" It's not that they "turn into an adult" when they kill someone, it's that they showed enough thought ... [snip!] ... at the adult level. I don't care who you are, a 14 yr old knows that it's wrong to kill something, let alone their own child. "

It doesn't take an adult mindset to kill. Children can be murderers. There is an eight year old serial killer in India.

I understand what you are saying but I tend to believe those who murder should be tried as an adult if they are 15 or older. By then they know the consequences to their actions.

In my county there was a murder last November where a set of five young adults stabbed two people then set them on fire and robbed them. In there is a 15 year old and he is being charged as an adult and I totally agree with that.

In the case you are talking about, the girl, she killed the infant to cover being pregnant.

And I don't call Zimmerman a child killer. I don't consider the victim a child.

Totally not on topic at all, [sorry.] but your avi made me go "awwwwwwwwwww"  

As for the topic, I think anyone who murders anyone should be tried as an adult. They KILLED someone for smurfs sake, that can't be undone, just because they are young doesn't mean they should have a lenient punishment. It doesn't mean that she automatically became an adult because she killed someone, just that she deserves the punishment to the fullest extent of the law.

If that girls parents had killed her and the baby, there wouldn't even have been a discussion of "should she be tried as an adult", because she didn't do anything wrong. But since she WAS the one who committed the crime, yes she should be tried as an adult.

Meh idk I probably don't make any sense either, that's the best way I could think of putting it lol. and after reading through everyone else's posts, I think I completely misunderstood? w/e.. I'm tired  

Quoting Katie[ღ]Siℓas:" Totally not on topic at all, [sorry.] but your avi made me go "awwwwwwwwwww"   As for the topic, I ... [snip!] ... be tried as an adult. Meh idk I probably don't make any sense either, that's the best way I could think of putting it lol. "

She said it a LOT better than i did lol

Quoting HopingforaMiracle:" I understand what you are saying but I tend to believe those who murder should be tried as an adult if ... [snip!] ... killed the infant to cover being pregnant. And I don't call Zimmerman a child killer. I don't consider the victim a child."

But a teenager does not have the same mindset as an adult. That is why they are under guardianship until 18. They don't have the capability, according to the law, to be making their own decisions.

I do not think this girl should be tried as an adult. I think she needs extensive counseling.

Quoting bbbt:" But a teenager does not have the same mindset as an adult. That is why they are under guardianship until 18. They don't have the capability, according to the law, to be making their own decisions. "

 
Good point!

<blockquote><b>Quoting Katie[ღ]Siℓas:</b>" Totally not on topic at all, [sorry.] but your avi made me go "awwwwwwwwwww"   As for the topic, I ... [snip!] ... of putting it lol. and after reading through everyone else's posts, I think I completely misunderstood? w/e.. I'm tired  "</blockquote>




I agree

Quoting Destinite:" I do not think this girl should be tried as an adult. I think she needs extensive counseling."

Oh, totally agree.