re: annoying racism posts

Quoting Crystallized:" You seriously think that the only reason people are racist is because the people they are being racist ... [snip!] ... so because they feel they are "entitled" to anything. Unless you believe that wanting to be treated as an equal is entitlement."

Did you really read what she said? What the girl this OP is talking about, was that white people owe her something for all the smurf in the past.

Quoting Jas ♥:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Crystallized:</b>" You seriously think that the only reason ... [snip!] ... equal is entitlement."</blockquote> This girl OP is talking about clearly feels like white people owe her something."

I know, and I agreed with her that this is wrong and she's going about addressing racism the wrong way.
I was addressing this:
"YES racism still exists.. but only because we ENOURAGE it.... with our noses up in the air pretending like white put us through so much.... "

Quoting ★Bαtgirl:" Did you really read what she said? What the girl this OP is talking about, was that white people owe her something for all the smurf in the past. "

Yes, I read exactly what she said.
And I said I agree with her.
But I disagree with the fact that she said it ONLY happens because we act this way.

Quoting Crystallized:" You seriously think that the only reason people are racist is because the people they are being racist ... [snip!] ... so because they feel they are "entitled" to anything. Unless you believe that wanting to be treated as an equal is entitlement."

to be perfectly honest... yes....
because we are equal...
there are just as many blacks who hate whites as there are whites who hate black.....

where im from there are business that prefer you too be black
we talk down on white people but get upset if they do the same about us....

we are very equal... we both have flaws
we both can spew the filthiest and most racist things out of our mouths
and whether we admit it or not we both are capable of the kind of hate that will set us back alot farther than we have ever come....

our PRESIDENT is black (Partly) if that doesnt show you that we are equal then nothing ever will.....

Quoting PANDORAX1:" to be perfectly honest... yes.... because we are equal... there are just as many blacks who hate whites ... [snip!] ... we have ever come.... our PRESIDENT is black (Partly) if that doesnt show you that we are equal then nothing ever will....."

We're probably going to have to agree to disagree.

Geography makes a heck of a difference.
I live in Maryland, one of the most liberal states in the country,and it's still evident here that some people are racist simply because they want to be.

An example:
My fiance' was followed and pulled over 4 times this year in Columbia while driving out of his apt complex by the same officer. The first two times he said it was to make sure he belonged there. The third time he asked him if he was a drug dealer. The fourth time he searched his car. His minority friends have complained about the same thing going on in the surrounding area. His white friends have never had it happen to them.

My dad works for Amtrak and one of the station masters frequently refers to minority employees as smurfs when he thinks they can't hear them.

He wasn't a new face in the complex. He isn't a drug dealer. He doesn't look or dress like a stereotypical "thug". He doesn't complain and yell and moan about how white people owe him anything. Neither does my father.

This isn't a race war. It's not about saying that black people and minorities can't have racist ideals.

My point is that to say that black people only experience racism because they have encouraged it is a huge, gross, misunderstanding. And either way, anyone with common sense should know that a few people in an entire race don't speak for the majority. If a white woman runs down the street yelling "dumb smurfs", why should I then use that as an excuse to be racist against any white person I encounter?

Quoting Crystallized:" We're probably going to have to agree to disagree. Geography makes a heck of a difference. I live ... [snip!] ... the street yelling "dumb smurfs", why should I then use that as an excuse to be racist against any white person I encounter? "

You may not... but many would.

I disagree.

I agree your friend is ignorant and needs to own up to whatever is going on with her life. But seriously...
A.The fact that people are not slaves anymore has NOTHING to do with the systematic injustice.
B.there are just as many blacks who hate whites as there are whites who hate black.....No there aren't, black people are 13% of the country. Its literaly impossible.
C."YES racism still exists.. but only because we ENOURAGE it.... with our noses up in the air pretending like white put us through so much.... " I'm not even getting into this but I seriously encourage you to take an African American Studies class to understand what slavery, Jim Crow Laws, etc. have done to the mentally of ALL black people. It has a HUGE bearing on how our children are raised.

I have nothing against anybody of any race, but realistically Affirmative Action, Minority Scholarships, etc are in place because there IS a problem.

Quoting CL & DJs Mommy:" I disagree. I agree your friend is ignorant and needs to own up to whatever is going on with her life. ... [snip!] ... of any race, but realistically Affirmative Action, Minority Scholarships, etc are in place because there IS a problem. "

Honestly... so I can understand... how does something that happened hundreds of years ago, have an affect on how you raise your children today?

Quoting CL & DJs Mommy:" I disagree. I agree your friend is ignorant and needs to own up to whatever is going on with her life. ... [snip!] ... of any race, but realistically Affirmative Action, Minority Scholarships, etc are in place because there IS a problem. "

Ok, I want to address this..

A) She was talking more about the way many black people like to talk about how 'the man' or 'white bitches' or white people in general 'owes' them this or that. And I've heard that before, even from my cousin, who's half african american. She loves to say that 'white people are smurfs and owe her for the past'. It happens. Other than that, what systematic injustice are you talking about?

B) "black people are 13% of the country." Bullsmurf. Utter bullsmurf. You can't go by a country as a WHOLE when it all depends on the state you're in and the area you live in.

C) If you want to move on from the past, don't keep shoving the past in every white person's face. How are we ever going to think of each other as equals if there's constant name calling or bringing up smurf that WE as people never even did. Hell, NOT ALL white people owned slaves when that was happening, Many were too poor, and a LOT of them immigrated over to the US after the fact. But our ancestors are still getting blamed for what the early settlers did. How fair is THAT.

And no. If you want equality, have equality for all races. I think it's bullsmurf that there can be an African American club, in a school of almost all black students, but the minority white students in that school can't start a Caucasian club because that's considered racist.

Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" Honestly... so I can understand... how does something that happened hundreds of years ago, have an affect on how you raise your children today?"

Right? I really want to know this too.

Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" You may not... but many would."

If you're basing "many" off of the black people you know, perhaps.
I have very few black friends who act this way.
It's all subjective and assumptions based off of what a few people do, and it's inexcusable for anyone because none of us, no matter what our race, can presume to know that we understand how "many" of the people of any race think and feel.

Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" Honestly... so I can understand... how does something that happened hundreds of years ago, have an affect on how you raise your children today?"

The theory, according to many, is that when the wee humans from Africa migrated into Europe, got stuck in Europe, were terrified, cold, and hungry, and lost our pigmentation. And THAT is the whole basis of our "western" society. So.... that's much more than a few hundred years ago. If that's any point of reference when many are talking about "race".

And, don't hate me, people... I can never for the life of me remember the name of this theory.

Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" Honestly... so I can understand... how does something that happened hundreds of years ago, have an affect on how you raise your children today?"

The Slave Mentality. Passed on from generation to generation. It isn't a conscious thing, I didn't know about it until one of my lecture classes this semester. It affects how we discipline them , how we treat our sons and daughters differently, how we speak to each other in relationships.
When Africans were brought through Africa (and I'm not getting into the horrid details of enslavement), tribe members were seperated to make it difficult to communicate or carry on the cultures. Therefore each person had to find a new way to live. Black women and men were seperated by skin color, causing a division between the race. Over time it led to the mentality that lighter skin is better. This is why you'll notice women (not all but some) will treat their darker skinned children differently or become overly estatice when their child has "good hair" (wavy or curly). During enslavement boys were often taken from their mothers and sold to different plantations if they were deemed "good and strong". This led to mothers sheltering their sons and talking bad about them so that the slave masters wouldn't think they are good enough. I have MANY friends who encourage the stupid smurf their sons do and deem it "cute" (fighting & cursing at 5)

I know its long but its just a few examples, there are MANY more though if anyone is willing to look. Basically most people raise their children how they were raised, small things may change but their is a basic base concept. Like how children who are abused are likely to abuse their children.

Quoting Crystallized:" If you're basing "many" off of the black people you know, perhaps. I have very few black friends who ... [snip!] ... of us, no matter what our race, can presume to know that we understand how "many" of the people of any race think and feel."

I was born and raised in Long Beach, California. I went to Poly High School (where Snoop Dogg went). That part of town had a very heavy population of black students. I attended for 4 years. Later, when I was young and broke and trying to live on my own, I lived in an apartment building next to the projects. I've been around enough black people to know that those views aren't isolated. I was talked smurf to, yelled at, and once.... spit on, simply because I was white.

Quoting CL & DJs Mommy:" The Slave Mentality. Passed on from generation to generation. It isn't a conscious thing, I didn't ... [snip!] ... small things may change but their is a basic base concept. Like how children who are abused are likely to abuse their children."

It is a concious thing. Babies aren't born into the world knowing any of that. Their parents teach them. If people let go and move on..... it would stop.