Quoting proudlypreggers:" What exactly do you consider a setback? I ask bc would you consider an 8 year old who has a bad dream ... [snip!] ... the day did they have to go. PTing doesnt consist of just sitting your child on the potty day in and day out until they go... "

Clearly your kid(s) were compliant. There are some circumstances where a child isn't compliant. Biological ones where they just don't feel the urine or feel they have a bowel movement. Then there could be kids who choose not use the potty because they don't want to give control of their elimination to the parents.

In either case, potty training may take longer than usual. Its not indication that a parent is lazy.

If your preschool-age child still struggles to use the toilet when it seems as though all his peers have been out of diapers for at least a year, you may consider getting him evaluated by a pediatrician. But if you're worried about your child having a problematic delay, keep in mind that some children are simply late bloomers.

Identification
Toilet training may be defined as delayed if a child is over 3 years old, has normal development otherwise and isn't toilet trained after at least three months of instruction, according to Barton D. Schmitt, M.D. In "Toilet Training Problems: Underachievers, Refusers and Stool Holders," published in a 2004 issue of "Contemporary Pediatrics," Schmitt says intervening in delayed toilet training cases as early as age 3 may help remedy situations in which parents are improperly carrying out toilet training. For example, parents who consistently force their child to sit on a toilet may inadvertently be causing toilet-training struggles.

Biological Causes
Sometimes delayed toilet training is caused by a health condition in the child. According to Schmitt, urinary tract infections, urethritis and urgency incontinence may be biological causes of daytime wetting. A child with chronic constipation or diarrhea may also be delayed in training. Children who are having trouble with toilet training because of a biological cause typically try to use the toilet by, for example, running to it or working hard to have a bowel movement, Schmitt says.
Behavioral Causes
Resistance or refusal to use the toilet is the most common cause of delayed toilet training, according to Schmitt. Resistant children typically know how to use a toilet but choose to soil or wet their clothing and refuse to sit on the toilet when prompted. Schmitt says this is commonly due to a power struggle between parents and strong-willed children.
Treatment
Treatment for delayed toilet training depends on the underlying cause. If the cause is biological, caregivers should start training again only after a doctor has prescribed the necessary medication, such as a laxative for constipation or an antibiotic for a urinary tract infection. If the cause a child's stubbornness, BabyCenter.com recommends that caregivers relinquish control and assign toilet responsibilities to the child, placing a potty chair where he can see it and leaving the child unclothed from the waist down to encourage use without parental involvement. The parenting website also recommends offering incentives such as small toys.

Encopresis
If your child who has bowel movements (BMs) in places other than the toilet, you know how frustrating it can be. Many parents assume that kids who soil their pants are simply misbehaving or that they're too lazy to use the bathroom when they have the urge to go.
The truth is that many kids beyond the age of toilet teaching (generally older than 4 years) who frequently soil their underwear have a condition known as encopresis. They have a problem with their bowels that dulls the normal urge to go to the bathroom — and they can't control the accidents that typically follow.

Quoting proudlypreggers:" Its like saying "oh bc my child isnt ready to learn he/she doesnt have to go to school" I know tons of ... [snip!] ... steps (bought the singing potty, rewarded them, praised them, etc) and got what i wanted and what they needed accomplished."

that's the worst comparison ever   children start learning... well pretty much as soon as they're born. being potty trained isn't the same as getting your education lmao.

Quoting On hold.:" My daughter let me know when she was ready and I followed her cues. She did amazingly and we had NO ... [snip!] ... we had NO set backs. Pushing a child to sit on a potty does not guarantee they will be ready to utilize it when they need to."

yep. my kid has had zero accidents, including at night.

Quoting boobook:" <blockquote><b>Quoting proudlypreggers:</b>" Its like saying "oh bc my child isnt ready ... [snip!] ... start school to not be in diapers, because by kinrgarten barring medical conditions kids or neglect etc. kids will be trained."

Everyone is judgemental including yourself so please save the im judgemental bs. People judged me for so called "forcing" my children to go when this is what worked for me. Obviously you didnt pick up on the fact that i was using school as an example so i would say that you arent that educated yourself...   Also ive stated on numerous occasions i was referring to the average child (meaning no special/mental needs)

Quoting £egendary Zeppelin:" that's the worst comparison ever   children start learning... well pretty much as soon as they're born. being potty trained isn't the same as getting your education lmao. "

Its somehing that has to be taught and learned so how is it any different from educating them? Isnt this what they do in school... learn

Quoting proudlypreggers:" Its somehing that has to be taught and learned so how is it any different from educating them? Isnt this what they do in school... learn"

what makes you say that? my kid literally PTed himself overnight. I really didn't teach him. I think a lot of children know the difference between underwear & diapers, it's just waiting until they are ready to make a commitment. & I know zero kids who are age 5 & not PTed (those w/out any special needs that is), so this whole "zomg if your kid isn't PTed at age 5, you fail" debate is funny. & even in school, children pretty much learn at their own pace. You can't force them to be advanced, to learn how to read when YOU want them to. They learn on their own time.

Quoting £egendary Zeppelin:" what makes you say that? my kid literally PTed himself overnight. I really didn't teach him. I think ... [snip!] ... their own pace. You can't force them to be advanced, to learn how to read when YOU want them to. They learn on their own time. "

Yes but my question was since they dont like it should you not make them go to school? Not what they learn or how they learn.

Quoting proudlypreggers:" Yes but my question was since they dont like it should you not make them go to school? Not what they learn or how they learn."

I don't think it has anything to do w/ if they 'like' it or not. They just aren't ready. Why is that such a hard concept to grasp? & no, idgaf about what my kid likes or doesn't like in some aspects.

Quoting Atticus & Rhys's Mommy:" Really and a 5 year old isnt ready to use a toilet? Sure by all means send them to kindergarten in a diaper. "

Why not? If they are physically unable to Potty train then yes they absolutely should go to kindergarten in a diaper. My daughter probably will and I know a lot of other children who will be in mainstream kindergarten still in diapers.

Quoting £egendary Zeppelin:" I don't think it has anything to do w/ if they 'like' it or not. They just aren't ready. Why is that ... [snip!] ... ready. Why is that such a hard concept to grasp? & no, idgaf about what my kid likes or doesn't like in some aspects. "

I get what you are saying but my question is how long do you wait until they are ready before you introduce it to them? 4, 5, 6, 7, 8? What is the age limit that youd wait for your child to be "ready" until you took matters into your own hands. IF a child is not introduced to a potty and a diaper is all they know that may be all they are going to do. Not every child is going to show signs, SOME you have to show and theyll do.

Quoting Epic Big Head:" Why not? If they are physically unable to Potty train then yes they absolutely should go to kindergarten ... [snip!] ... a diaper. My daughter probably will and I know a lot of other children who will be in mainstream kindergarten still in diapers."

I clearly said if there was bladder/bowel issue or mental issues such as Autism then I completely understand a delay in potty training.

But seriously.....sending your 5 year old to kindergarten in a diaper that has no valid reason to be in a diaper still is just mind blowing. By valid reason, I do mean bladder/bowel or mental issues. I do not know one 5 year thats still in diapers and I can tell you I dont recall any children when I was in kindergarten wearing diapers. My son goes to preschool and I can tell you all the children that are 2 and up, once they move to the big classrooms are in underwear. Guess what they are going to have accidents sure, but to just throw a diaper on the 5 year old and say 'ahhhh he"ll use to the toilet when he feels like it" is just unbelievable.

Quoting proudlypreggers:" I get what you are saying but my question is how long do you wait until they are ready before you introduce ... [snip!] ... they know that may be all they are going to do. Not every child is going to show signs, SOME you have to show and theyll do."

I think introducing them to a potty is essential, yea. mine has always enjoyed watching me go lmfao so it's always been around for him. Like I've already said, I don't know any child w/out special needs at age 5 even who isn't PTed, so I don't know anyone at age 6-7+ either. Lol. It really isn't a big deal.

Quoting £egendary Zeppelin:" I think introducing them to a potty is essential, yea. mine has always enjoyed watching me go lmfao ... [snip!] ... w/out special needs at age 5 even who isn't PTed, so I don't know anyone at age 6-7+ either. Lol. It really isn't a big deal."

This is what i have been saying. Some moms wont even introduce it to their children. Some moms like to say "oh hell tell me when hes ready" without even attempting. My children loved their potty it sung and made noises every time they went so they actually liked going. Sometimes theyd just sit there on their own and press the button and wouldnt even go but that was my way of introducing them to it and the end result was a good result. Im not saying all moms are lazy, although tbh some are, im just saying there are certain steps that you can take along with your child to help them become ready.

Quoting proudlypreggers:" This is what i have been saying. Some moms wont even introduce it to their children. Some moms like ... [snip!] ... tbh some are, im just saying there are certain steps that you can take along with your child to help them become ready."

It'd be hard for a child to not be introduced to a toilet, I men they're everywhere. lol. Idk anyone that would try & PT their child w/out at least telling them the function of a potty, lmao