re: Why do people think inducing is bad???

Quoting [Pseudonym]:" When the theories are proven, then they can be considered fact to me. Facts and theories are two different entities."

Well, you really can't PROVE theory about how labor starts, since there's no way to prove it without a shadow of a doubt without possibly killing the mother or child, so you're gonna be waiting a long time.

Quoting shes.so.vain:" Us can be wrong. Thats why some nurses say- you baby looks big- and they end up being an average size. "

They said DD was going to be a 10-11 pounder, and she was 7 lb 13 oz. US can be WAY wrong.

Quoting ☾BizzyBee♉:" So are mine, but you can CONCEIVE or have implantation happen at varying times, pending on if sperm ... [snip!] ... she still put me in labor at 38 weeks fully developed, and measuring full term. They said my DD was probably off. It happens. "

Err, yeah at 38 weeks, they are fully developed. You can only concieve three days max after you ovulate. They don't factor in implantation when dealing with due dates. They do LMP or conception.

Quoting [Pseudonym]:" Err, yeah at 38 weeks, they are fully developed. You can only concieve three days max after you ovulate. They don't factor in implantation when dealing with due dates. They do LMP or conception."

And cycles can vary from month to month. At birth, they have ways of telling if they're a full 40 weeker or not. I was out of it so I have NO clue how, but SO told me they did a lot of testing and measuring to determine she was a full 40 weeks.

Sperm can live up to 7 or more days inside you without dying, and implantation can take a week or so to happen sometimes. You can implant a week after you ovulate, that's not far fetched.

Quoting ☾BizzyBee♉:" Well, you really can't PROVE theory about how labor starts, since there's no way to prove it without ... [snip!] ... to prove it without a shadow of a doubt without possibly killing the mother or child, so you're gonna be waiting a long time. "

Then, no one knows how labor starts. They believe, they think, they theorize. Nobody knows. For all you know, mom could trigger labor. Her body is designed to grow a child for a set amount of time.   That's my theory.

Quoting [Pseudonym]:" Then, no one knows how labor starts. They believe, they think, they theorize. Nobody knows. For all ... [snip!] ... For all you know, mom could trigger labor. Her body is designed to grow a child for a set amount of time.   That's my theory."

Your theory would make no sense, since some moms have preemies and have full term kids.

No one has definite proof, but a lot of research has shown that the baby is the main cause in a normal labor process for starting labor.

Quoting ☾BizzyBee♉:" And cycles can vary from month to month. At birth, they have ways of telling if they're a full 40 weeker ... [snip!] ... and implantation can take a week or so to happen sometimes. You can implant a week after you ovulate, that's not far fetched."

Oh, no. Sperm can live three to four days inside you. Researched this quite extensively when I was trying to concieve my first...
They probably did tests to see if she was a full 37 weeker. Hearing, vision, listening to lungs, heartbeat, bowels, make sure all systems are functioning normally. Doctor's could care less if it's at least a 40 weeker, just as long as it's a 37 weeker.

Quoting ☾BizzyBee♉:" Your theory would make no sense, since some moms have preemies and have full term kids. No one has ... [snip!] ... definite proof, but a lot of research has shown that the baby is the main cause in a normal labor process for starting labor. "

Factors in each pregnancy could influence it's outcome. Maybe mom smoked with the preemie baby and not with the full term one. There are too many variables and obstretics is not an exact science by any means.

Quoting [Pseudonym]:" Oh, no. Sperm can live three to four days inside you. Researched this quite extensively when I was ... [snip!] ... all systems are functioning normally. Doctor's could care less if it's at least a 40 weeker, just as long as it's a 37 weeker."

http://www.webmd.com/infertility-and-reproduction/guide/sperm-and-semen-faq - 5 days

http://www.justmommies.com/articles/how-long-do-sperm-live.shtml -5 to 7 days

http://www.babymed.com/info/sperm-life-how-long-do-sperm-live - 5 days

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/pregnancy/AN00281 -3 to 5 days

https://www.healthtap.com/topics/how-long-can-sperm-live-in-the-uterus - 5 days


So yeah, I've heard 7, and in some cases that may happen, but it sure as hell isn't generally 3-4.

Quoting [Pseudonym]:" Factors in each pregnancy could influence it's outcome. Maybe mom smoked with the preemie baby and not ... [snip!] ... preemie baby and not with the full term one. There are too many variables and obstretics is not an exact science by any means."

Exactly. It's not. There's a ton of theories, but nothing can be proven without a shadow of a doubt. That's why I always say midwives are better for birthing and pregnancy than OBs, since OBs treat it like an exact medical science. It's not. But there IS an exact time frame for term and full term, and there are quite a few theories on how it works. So WHY make it an exact science and make it into a medical thing by inducing when it's not necessary?

Quoting ☾BizzyBee♉:" http://www.webmd.com/infertility-and-reproduction/guide/sperm-and-semen-faq - 5 days http://www.ju ... [snip!] ... - 5 days So yeah, I've heard 7, and in some cases that may happen, but it sure as hell isn't generally 3-4. "

I'm not sure justmommies is a credible site. All the reputable ones agree with me for the most part...Sperm lifespan notwithstanding, this adds an extra 5 days to the length of pregnancy. Not altogether significant.

Quoting ☾BizzyBee♉:" Exactly. It's not. There's a ton of theories, but nothing can be proven without a shadow of a doubt. ... [snip!] ... theories on how it works. So WHY make it an exact science and make it into a medical thing by inducing when it's not necessary?"

I don't know, my OB didn't treat it that way. And it kind of is a medical thing. But...yeah, I agree if you don't need an induction, just wait it out. My OB tended to steet clear of drastic induction techniques, for the most part. He'd break ladies' water and let labor happen naturally instead of hooking you up to Pitocin straightaway...
I just got my membranes stipped and that was enough to jumpstart labor for me...

Quoting [Pseudonym]:" I'm not sure justmommies is a credible site. All the reputable ones agree with me for the most part...Sperm ... [snip!] ... most part...Sperm lifespan notwithstanding, this adds an extra 5 days to the length of pregnancy. Not altogether significant."

Which isn't counting the amount of time from conception to implantation, which is not immediate and can take a week or so. Hence, due dates can be off by 2 or more weeks.

ETA: Babycenter isn't exactly a reputable source, and yet, you used it to show us 37 weeks is full term. You can do it and we can't?

Quoting [Pseudonym]:" I don't know, my OB didn't treat it that way. And it kind of is a medical thing. But...yeah, I agree ... [snip!] ... of hooking you up to Pitocin straightaway... I just got my membranes stipped and that was enough to jumpstart labor for me..."

Which is why I always tell people they should watch the Business of Being Born, or Pregnant in America. Both are really good about going behind the scenes in hospitals and show you how many of these places actually think and work.

Quoting ☾BizzyBee♉:" Which is why I always tell people they should watch the Business of Being Born, or Pregnant in America. ... [snip!] ... Both are really good about going behind the scenes in hospitals and show you how many of these places actually think and work. "

I'll have to check it out...Though it won't be of much use to me since I'm done having kids. Boo! But, still...Could be interesting...