A person's personal decisions about their body do not negate the self-acceptance principle. It's love... Unconditional... No qualifiers. Folks always seem to want to put some external value on the this... As if we are required to perform some kind of action to qualify. That's not what it's about. It's about looking at yourself with honest eyes and choosing to love yourself. Period. When people start to love themselves, irregardless, they begin to do things in their life out of love. People want different things for their lives. Some people discover that they enjoy their life as it is, others want change. It's up to the individual and no choice disqualifies them from being able to love, accept, and respect themselves.

Quoting Chroma Hex [+1]:" I read the conversation you guys had, and I'm just going to give my thoughts on it really quick to prevent ... [snip!] ... don't care enough to take steps to live a longer, healthier life. That is the opposite of self-love. It's selfish indulgence."

This is going to sound mean, and I don't want it to, okay?

If you're so quick to talk about the reality of having mental disorders, why are you also so quick to write off obesity as a "cop out?" Isn't that exactly what people say about those with depression? Fibro? That these are just cop outs for what people should be doing but aren't?

I just think that's a little narrow minded, to be so fast to defend what you experience as real, but so quick to put down what others deal with. . .

Quoting Chroma Hex [+1]:" I read the conversation you guys had, and I'm just going to give my thoughts on it really quick to prevent ... [snip!] ... don't care enough to take steps to live a longer, healthier life. That is the opposite of self-love. It's selfish indulgence."

Don't you then think that self love is important? To be able to gain "health" as you see it? Do people take care of what they hate?

It's sad that a message of self love is qualified with "you can have that ONCE you do "this."'

"Oh, you're not losing weight? Nope, you can't be happy or love yourself."

Why must if have a qualifier?

Quoting she nan igans:" Don't you then think that self love is important? To be able to gain "health" as you see it? Do people ... [snip!] ... you do "this."' "Oh, you're not losing weight? Nope, you can't be happy or love yourself." Why must if have a qualifier?"

I didn't say they can't be happy or love themselves. I said that, as someone that can't be happy knowing that they'll never be on par with other people, how they can say they love themselves and not care enough to change what they can, ESPECIALLY in terms of health.

I finally figured out why I hate this picture- It's doing everything I've seen many of these posts say not to do- compare body sizes

Quoting Buzz and Almond Joys momm:" I finally figured out why I hate this picture- It's doing everything I've seen many of these posts say not to do- compare body sizes"

 

<blockquote><b>Quoting Buzz and Almond Joys momm:</b>" I finally figured out why I hate this picture- It's doing everything I've seen many of these posts say not to do- compare body sizes"</blockquote>




The picture is called friends. It's not comparing bodies, IMO, it's using bodies to represent a spectrum of humanity and that no matter what our differences are, we can be friends. That's just my interpretation though.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Fat-and-Happy:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Buzz and Almond Joys momm:</b>" I finally figured out why I ... [snip!] ... a spectrum of humanity and that no matter what our differences are, we can be friends. That's just my interpretation though."</blockquote>

I can understand that, but that's still showing a comparison of the bodies which- even if it does not intent to- can cause a struggle for women trying to come to peace with their size

Quoting Chroma Hex [+1]:" I didn't say they can't be happy or love themselves. I said that, as someone that can't be happy knowing ... [snip!] ... other people, how they can say they love themselves and not care enough to change what they can, ESPECIALLY in terms of health."

I that that is where the disconnect is... You can't understand how someone else can do it, when you yourself can't see yourself doing it. The notion seems illogical to you... and that's okay because you are you and you know what it would take for you to be at peace with yourself. You define your reality with you own unique perspective and views. The trick is to take the issue from within yourself and place it on the outside and observe it in a different perspective. It's not easy but once you get it, the world becomes quite a different place.

Happiness, beauty, and love mean different things to different people and letting someone define what that looks like in their own life is paramount. If someone loves and respects themselves they will decide what is best for them regardless of differing opinions. If you can't live your life with certain things then you will take action to change them because that is what you see fit for yourself. Others may evaluate their lives by a different standard and live fulfilling happy lives despite the fact that they have things that you couldn't bare (bear? lol).... Does it make more sense now?

Quoting Buzz and Almond Joys momm:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Fat-and-Happy:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Buzz ... [snip!] ... of the bodies which- even if it does not intent to- can cause a struggle for women trying to come to peace with their size"

I can see where this may be the case with some women. Of course that brings us back to the issue of perception. The process of self-acceptance is an evolving entity and is often bumpy and tumultuous journey. I can't define that for other people, but I can traject something that has helped me and hopefully others will benefit from it. I can't guarantee it though. Thanks for offering a new perspective for me to consider!  

Quoting Fat-and-Happy:" I that that is where the disconnect is... You can't understand how someone else can do it, when you ... [snip!] ... happy lives despite the fact that they have things that you couldn't bare (bear? lol).... Does it make more sense now?"

I can see that you've been advocating this a long time. I hope my opinion didn't come across as disrespectful.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Chroma Hex [+1]:</b>" I can see that you've been advocating this a long time. I hope my opinion didn't come across as disrespectful."</blockquote>




Your opinion is one I encounter frequently and I do not really take offense to it unless it advocates hatred towards self or others because of the state of a body.

I actually value opposition because it provides an opportunity for communication and learning. :-)