re: why kids shouldn't have kids.

Quoting Rumpelstiltskin:" Not necessarily. If she is a sociopath, for example, she won't give it another thought. It does depend ... [snip!] ... It does depend on her mental well-being. She needs to be removed from society, either in a mental facility or prison. "

No, she needs therapy and a hug.

Quoting baking my bun:" No, she needs therapy and a hug."

  You're being funny right?


Look, I'm all for not ripping someone a new one till you know all the details, but she murdered someone and should be punished. Also, if she is a threat to herself or others (which, by the fact she killed someone she is) she needs to be removed from society.

A hug isn't going to do much for her, I'm afraid.

Quoting Rumpelstiltskin:"   You're being funny right? Look, I'm all for not ripping someone a new one till you know ... [snip!] ... the fact she killed someone she is) she needs to be removed from society. A hug isn't going to do much for her, I'm afraid. "

Nope, not being funny at all - the girl smurfed up because of fear. If she is punished (other than the pure fact that she is going to punished for the rest of her life due to what she has done) and not helped then society could make a monster. She is a baby herself.

Quoting baking my bun:" Nope, not being funny at all - the girl smurfed up because of fear. If she is punished (other than the ... [snip!] ... for the rest of her life due to what she has done) and not helped then society could make a monster. She is a baby herself."

14 is not a baby. I understand that she was scared, I honestly believe something is wrong with her, but she cannot just say "I was scared so I killed my baby" and everything be okay.

Quoting Rumpelstiltskin:" 14 is not a baby. I understand that she was scared, I honestly believe something is wrong with her, but she cannot just say "I was scared so I killed my baby" and everything be okay. "

No, no. Her life will never be OK again - she smurfed up big style and her thoughts will punish her until he day she dies. She needs to be listened to and she needs to feel secure or she could likely do more bad things intentionally.

Quoting baking my bun:" No, no. Her life will never be OK again - she smurfed up big style and her thoughts will punish her until ... [snip!] ... he day she dies. She needs to be listened to and she needs to feel secure or she could likely do more bad things intentionally."

You don't know that. She may have no remorse at all... she may be mentally ill or she may just not ever figure out that what she did is wrong.

Quoting Rumpelstiltskin:" You don't know that. She may have no remorse at all... she may be mentally ill or she may just not ever figure out that what she did is wrong."

But realistically speaking and taking into account that she probably does have a smurf ton of remorse - as I work on the basis of everyone is innocent until proven guilty then my ethos is right. She would need support. If she doesn't show any remorse and is happy with what she has done then you may be right - but what are the chances of that, seriously?

<blockquote><b>Quoting Rumpelstiltskin:</b>" 14 is not a baby. I understand that she was scared, I honestly believe something is wrong with her, but she cannot just say "I was scared so I killed my baby" and everything be okay. "</blockquote>




Finally I agree with what you just said!

Quoting baking my bun:" But realistically speaking and taking into account that she probably does have a smurf ton of remorse ... [snip!] ... show any remorse and is happy with what she has done then you may be right - but what are the chances of that, seriously?"

She showed no remorse when arrested and said she felt nothing... or couldn't you read that?  

She may be in shock or in denial, but the point is everything is pointing to her having no remorse at the moment.

Quoting Rumpelstiltskin:" She showed no remorse when arrested and said she felt nothing... or couldn't you read that?   ... [snip!] ...   She may be in shock or in denial, but the point is everything is pointing to her having no remorse at the moment."

Hun, this is a debate - don't use me as an argument.
I have read articles about this and they are only articles. Articles like to over dramatize situation don't they? Or am I wrong? Do articles depict reality?
What is wrong with hoping that someone isn't as cruel as these articles make out? If I agreed with you - I sure as hell wouldn't rejoice and shout YES if I find out I am right and she is a poor excuse of a human being. I'd rather think she is in need of serious help - that is the more realistic outcome anyway.

Quoting baking my bun:" Hun, this is a debate - don't use me as an argument. I have read articles about this and they are only ... [snip!] ... is a poor excuse of a human being. I'd rather think she is in need of serious help - that is the more realistic outcome anyway."

You see, you are confusing me with someone else.... I never said she was "a horrible excuse for a human being" or anything of the sort. I never said she should rot or die or anything. I think she needs to be evaluated and punished accordingly. I think that's pretty logical.


and I never used you as an argument....   I don't even know what that means!

Quoting Rumpelstiltskin:" You see, you are confusing me with someone else.... I never said she was "a horrible excuse for a human ... [snip!] ... I think that's pretty logical. and I never used you as an argument....   I don't even know what that means! "

I was in here when this thread first started, and you were unhappy about people saying they wanted to kill or hurt the girl.

Quoting Rumpelstiltskin:" You see, you are confusing me with someone else.... I never said she was "a horrible excuse for a human ... [snip!] ... I think that's pretty logical. and I never used you as an argument....   I don't even know what that means! "

Lol, I meant don't say things like 'or couldn't you read that' - try not to get personal in a debate it just causes arguments and I have no qualms with you I'm sure you're a perfectly lovely person we just have conflicting opinions.
Ok - but I disagree with her being punished as she will be punished in her own head for the rest of her days... Thus - she should be supported, listened to and educated. Well most importantly she should be loved! If she is just punished she could become something that could potentially be prevented.

Quoting Lil princess and Bambino:" I was in here when this thread first started, and you were unhappy about people saying they wanted to kill or hurt the girl."

Yes... because that's juts mean! hahaha

I think that she needs to be evaluated and punished accordingly.

ETA: Not hugged!  

Quoting baking my bun:" Lol, I meant don't say things like 'or couldn't you read that' - try not to get personal in a debate ... [snip!] ... most importantly she should be loved! If she is just punished she could become something that could potentially be prevented."

This isn't D&D... but whatever.
Do you not punish your children when they do wrong? Of course you do! That's our jobs. I punish my students when they bully/cheat/talk back. It's how kids learn.

She can be listened to and educated in prison or in a hospital.

I'm not saying she should have a life sentence, I really don't know the whole story so I cannot say what should happen to her.

But a friggin' hug??