re: Prime Minister Gordon Brown in Britan

Quoting expectin trouble:“ its not guarenteed that a baby born at 40 weeks would survive so does that mean that they should allow abortions up until then?”

nicely said   i couldnt think of a way to word it lol im over here like uh.......LIGHT BULB then you already said it. lol

Quoting Baby Leyah![9 WEEKS]:“ nicely said   i couldnt think of a way to word it lol im over here like uh.......LIGHT BULB then you already said it. lol”

lol great minds  

Quoting Incubating a baby boy:“ So Prime Minister Gordon Brown has had a victory in Britain by keeping the abortion limits at 24weeks ... [snip!] ... allowing scientists to create part-human, part-animal embryos for research into diseases such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's."”

There shouldn't be any limit at all.

C.

Quoting Incubating a baby boy:“ yes it is disgusting!! People never believe me here in Florida when I tell them that back home(Britain) ... [snip!] ... that stage in pregnancy. It is sick to me. if you are going to do the abortion, like you said, put them up for adoption then!”

In Canada you can get them right up until birth.

That's the way it should be.

C.

Quoting Pr0nkBeth:“ It's not guranteed that a baby will live at 24 weeks. There is a higher chance, due to medical knowledge ... [snip!] ... for going through with it. If you aren't planning on getting an abortion, then this plan or change of law doesn't effect you.”

Indeed.

C.

Quoting expectin trouble:“ its not guarenteed that a baby born at 40 weeks would survive so does that mean that they should allow abortions up until then?”

Yes.

C.

Why do you feel that women should be able to terminate up until birth? I especially have a problem with that since the father of the child gets no say whatsoever. Where is responsibility? Compassion? I'm not dumb enough to think I'll change your mind. I just want to hear what you have to say.

Well, it'll be easier if I just copy and paste what I said about it in the other thread(s)...

I don't personally agree with women having late term abortions, morally or ethically. However, I do believe that they should have the legal right to do so, if they choose to.

There is no cutoff for abortion in Canada, currently. Right now, I believe it's less than 1% of all abortions are performed in the third trimester, and mostly for medical as opposed to elective reasons. Most women will not electively have an abortion that late. But, I feel that a woman should have the right to, even if I disagree with it.

What is the alternative? If the woman doesn't want the baby at that late stage, and she can't legally abort, what will she do? She'll probably turn to drugs or alcohol, or other methods to cause a miscarriage, and maybe those won't work and the baby might be born severely malformed/ill.

Could she be induced once the fetus is viable? Sure. But who is going to foot the bill for all the intensive care that's needed for these 24 week old fetuses that aren't wanted by their mothers? That's tens or hundreds of thousands of tax dollars going to keep these babies alive, and there's no guarantee that if they live anyone will want to adopt them anyway.

I don't have to agree with something to think people should have the right to do it.

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What do you propose to do though, to ensure a woman that wants to abort at 24 weeks and cannot will maintain a healthy pregnancy for the next 16 weeks so that the child can be adopted out? Is she going to go into protective custody so they can make sure she's eating right and not trying to make herself miscarry?

It would be ideal if women would just say "well, I can't abort so I guess I'll wait another 16 weeks being a good womb for this baby", but they probably won't. If they want to abort at 24 weeks, they'll either do it legally, or find even worse ways to make sure it happens.

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Most women do not want to abort after 24 weeks, and will not even if it is legal to do so.

We're talking about the small percentage who are going to do it one way or the other.

If a woman is going to abort at 24 weeks, would you prefer she do it in a clinic by skilled medical professionals, or would you prefer she take a whole bunch of crack and throw herself down the stairs?

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That's why I don't think there should be a cutoff for abortions. There is no ban on late term abortions in Canada, but very, very few happen, and almost all of them are for medical reasons. Very few women will electively choose to abort in the late 2nd or 3rd trimester.

The women who ARE going to make the decision to abort that late, I believe, need a place to do so safely. I'd rather see a woman, as much as I can't say I ethically agree with the decision, get an abortion at 30 weeks in a clinic than decide at 30 weeks she doesn't want the fetus anymore, and start drinking heavily or smoking crack or throwing herself down the stairs to try to cause a miscarriage. If she's going to kill the fetus/baby anyway, do it "humanely" in a clinic. I don't care how inhumane people think intact D&E (or partial birth abortion, if you want to use slang) is, it's much more humane than a home coat hanger abortion or binge drinking to try to miscarry.

C.

Quoting God:“ Well, it'll be easier if I just copy and paste what I said about it in the other thread(s)... I don't ... [snip!] ... if you want to use slang) is, it's much more humane than a home coat hanger abortion or binge drinking to try to miscarry. C.”

I understand your reasoning, but I still don't think it's a good reason. If a woman has already carried a baby into the late second trimester (say 24 weeks) I don't think she'd have a hard time going the rest of the way if she knew she didn't have to keep the baby. I think if other options were pushed and made known the way abortion is, more women would choose other options. I agree that not many women would electively have a late stage abortion, but just one is too many for me. Newborns are the most saught after to adopt, and more people are turning to adoption. I can't imagine that the psyche of a woman who undergoes a late stage abortion is very good, and I think anyone who feels forced to make this decision for whatever reason would appreciate knowing there are other options. And for the people that do it for gender selection and what not....well they can just go get hit by a bus.

Quoting Jessica [Slvrmoon]:“ I understand your reasoning, but I still don't think it's a good reason. If a woman has already carried ... [snip!] ... are other options. And for the people that do it for gender selection and what not....well they can just go get hit by a bus.”

Some women are still going to do it.

The choice is, let them do it safely in a clinic, or let them cause themselves to miscarry.

Which choice is going to be less traumatic to the fetus?

C.

You are comparing a term to full term baby to a baby who barely has lung development. I personally would not have an abortion, unless there was a high percentage for the child to be born with something like Cystic Fibrosis.

I just find it ironic that most people would rather shove a child in the endlessly rotating foster care system, just so they have a 'life'. What ever happened to quality over quanity?

Again I asked, how does if effect you directly that other women that you don't know have abortions?

Quoting Pr0nkBeth:“What ever happened to quality over quanity? ”

A-fucking-men.

C.