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Ha! Unemployment down - FARCE!

posted 7th Sep
I know, I'm a geek about political and economic issues. For those that care to know more, I have attached a link from yesterday that describes some of the shenasmurfns in the unemployment numbers that YOU SHOULD KNOW.

A quick summary of the numbers released today:
For each net job added in the month of August, nearly 4 people dropped out of the workforce.... yet the official unemployment number went down.
Growth of jobs is pathetic and the number of people that have given up is frightening.

Here is the link from yesterday, before today's numbers were released:
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ob market weakness depends on numbers
Associated Press Published: September 6, 2012 4:00AM

WASHINGTON -- Is the U.S. job market dismal as Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney says?
Or is it steadily improving as President Barack Obama contends?
Not to dodge the question or anything, but both men are correct. It's all about how you slice the data.
Romney and his Republican allies like to point to the unemployment rate. It's stuck at 8.3 percent, compared with 7.8 percent when Obama took office. Most economists say "normal" unemployment is 6 percent or less.
Obama naturally prefers to stress the more than 4 million jobs the economy has added in the past 21⁄2 years.
Neither figure fully illustrates the state of the job market -- the pivotal issue for many voters in the final stretch of the election season. You have to consider other numbers, too.
What about the number of people who've given up looking for work and so aren't counted as unemployed?
Or the pace of layoffs?
What about the level of job openings advertised?
The job market began strengthening in mid-2010. That was about a year after the Great Recession officially ended. The gains since then have been steady but achingly slow. That's why nearly every gauge of the job market plays into a glass-half-full, glass-half-empty election debate.
Here's an overview of key numbers and the varying stories they tell:
-- UNEMPLOYMENT
Romney and other Republicans have stressed that the unemployment rate has topped 8 percent for 42 straight months. That's the longest such stretch since government record-keeping began in 1948.
For Obama, this is probably the most threatening statistic. No president since World War II has won re-election with such a high rate. President Gerald Ford lost to Jimmy Carter in 1976, when the rate was 7.8 percent. President Carter was unseated by Ronald Reagan in 1980, when it was 7.5 percent.
Reagan managed to win a landslide re-election in 1984, when unemployment was a still-lofty 7.2 percent. But the rate had tumbled from a peak of 10.8 percent in December 1982.
A similar trend could benefit Obama. True, unemployment is historically high. But it's down from a peak of 10 percent in October 2009. Some economists argue that the trend in the unemployment rate in an election year affects voters more than the rate itself does. Presidents have won re-election even when unemployment was high -- as long as the rate was trending down.
That said, Obama has a problem: The unemployment rate has stopped declining recently. It's now where it was in January. That could all change in coming months. Three more jobs reports will be issued before the election, including the August numbers that will be released Friday.
-- JOBS
Obama and other Democrats point out that the private sector has added jobs for 29 straight months. And over that time, 4.5 million jobs have been added.
But that positive trend depends on a carefully selected time frame. It counts job gains dating from February 2010. It ignores Obama's first year in office, when employers shed an average of 357,000 jobs a month. And by counting only private-sector jobs, Obama's claim excludes hundreds of thousands of layoffs by local and state governments.
Since Obama took office, the overall economy -- including the public sector -- has lost 316,000 jobs. Private employers have added only 332,000 jobs. Put all that together, and you're a long way from 4.5 million.
The administration's supporters argue that it's fair to exclude the early part of his term. That's because his economic policies, particularly the $824 billion stimulus package, didn't kick in until months after his inauguration.
Even counting the gains of the past 21⁄2 years, the economy still has 4.7 million fewer jobs than it did in December 2007, when the recession began.
-- THE UNDEREMPLOYED
Many analysts point out that the unemployment rate would be even higher if it included millions of Americans who have given up looking for work. (The government counts people as unemployed only if they're looking for a job.)
Nearly 12.8 million people were unemployed in July. But Romney and his running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan, prefer to cite a different figure: One that also includes people no longer looking for a job and people working part time who would prefer full-time work.
When you add up those groups, plus the unemployed, you end up with 23.5 million. That produces an "under-employment" rate of 15 percent.
The trend is especially stark among younger Americans. An Associated Press analysis earlier this year found that roughly half of college graduates under age 25 are unemployed or underemployed.
-- LAYOFFS
There's one clear area of improvement since Obama was inaugurated: Layoffs have plunged.
As Obama has often pointed out, more than 800,000 Americans lost their jobs in January 2009, the month he took office. That was the largest one-month drop in more than 60 years. The pain persisted for months: The economy shed 600,000 or more jobs each month from November 2008 through April 2009. A total of 4.5 million jobs were lost.
The number of people seeking unemployment benefits soared. In January 2009, so many people sought unemployment aid that they swamped the phone lines of some state unemployment offices. Some offices' websites crashed. In the last week of March, 667,000 Americans applied for unemployment benefits, the most in more than 26 years.
Since then, layoffs have dwindled. The economy is steadily adding jobs, however modestly. And the number of people seeking unemployment benefits each week is averaging about 370,000. Still, most economists say that in a healthy economy, applications for unemployment aid would fall to roughly 325,000.
-- JOB OPENINGS
The government calculates how many open jobs are available each month. This figure has shown improvement. But it remains below pre-recession levels.
In June, the most recent data available, employers posted 3.8 million available jobs. It was the most in four years -- and 57 percent more than in July 2009, a month after the recession ended. Before the recession, job openings regularly topped 4 million.
And employers aren't filling their openings very quickly. Actual hiring is up only 19 percent since July 2009 -- a much smaller increase than the increase in openings.
The job openings report provides perhaps the best gauge of what the job market feels like for the unemployed. In June, an average of 3.4 unemployed people were competing for each open job. That's down sharply from its peak of 7 to 1 in July 2009. But in a healthy economy, the ratio is usually about 2 to 1.
"We aren't where we need to be," Obama said in an interview with The Associated Press late last month. "Everybody agrees with that."
http://www.times-gazette.com/ap%20general%20news/2012/09/06/job-market-weakness-depends-on-numbers
quotesmurfs?
I have 1 child & live in Pennsylvania
posted 7th Sep
well, then maybe the republicans should pass the goddamn jobs act instead of trying to block everything to get their man in office.
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I have 2 kids & live in Maine
posted 7th Sep
i dont even want to comment BUT

Im unemployed i have been for OVER a year...

I have to compete with people who have exp in places i dont ( ive done call centers all my life)

My unemployment ended last month and i kinda just gave up looking once it ended.

Once unemployment ends ur no longer in the unemployment rate.
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I have 2 kids & live in Lakeland, Florida
posted 7th Sep
My husband has been unemployed since the beginning of January. He was laid off on the 6th and has many applications in at different places. He hasn't even had a phone call.

He's going back to college right now or he wouldn't even be getting unemployment anymore.
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I'm due May 26th, have 2 kids & live in Kentucky
posted 7th Sep
I became unemployed in 2010... The small company I worked for had to close down their business. Unemployment was nice, until it ran out... Then the gov't no long looks at you as being "unemployed". Sucks, because I have student loans to pay back... So, I'm a SAHM until jobs in our area improve.
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I have 2 kids & live in Georgia
posted 7th Sep
I always laugh when they claim the unemployment rate has dropped.

People that have hit their maximum in unemployment benefits, yet have not secured work are excluded from the "unemployment rate"
So no, unemployment did not drop, unemployment BENEFITS dropped.
\Sounds legit    
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I have 2 kids & live in Ireland
posted 7th Sep
Quoting Amberchik78:" well, then maybe the republicans should pass the goddamn jobs act instead of trying to block everything to get their man in office. "

 

Also, I don't know about anywhere else, but in west Texas its easy as hell to get a job.. and we were finally able to move back to Michigan because jobs are finally starting to exist again... Its not great, but just based on my personal experiences with my own attempts to find work and my husband's attempts to find work, things appear to be improving.

Of course, I know that a lot of that smurf varies from state to state (and city to city), so I assume that some of it is related to state and local efforts as well.
quotesmurfs?
I have 3 kids & live in Michigan
posted 7th Sep
Quoting Amberchik78:" well, then maybe the republicans should pass the goddamn jobs act instead of trying to block everything to get their man in office. "


Hmmm. Maybe we should just vote in a new leader as this one has proven he cant do it. And, he has basically ignored his own jobs committee.
I suppose a good jobs act would pass if both house of congress were lead by the Ds.... but wait! The Ds DID have control over congress for 2 years. Hmmm.... where did they spend their time? Oh yes, Obamacare and Cap and Trade.
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I have 1 child & live in Pennsylvania
posted 7th Sep
<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" Hmmm. Maybe we should just vote in a new leader as this one has proven he cant do it. And, he has ... [snip!] ... Ds DID have control over congress for 2 years. Hmmm.... where did they spend their time? Oh yes, Obamacare and Cap and Trade."</blockquote>


Oh yes, obamacare. You know, the thing modeled after something mitt romney created. Oh no! Now kids like my son wont be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition!!

The fact is, the republicans refused to pass the jobs bill JUST because it wasnt their idea. Partisan politics are smurfing up this country. Maybe they should work with the president to get smurf done!
quotesmurfs?
I have 2 kids & live in Maine
posted 7th Sep
Quoting Amberchik78:" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" Hmmm. Maybe we should just vote in a new leader ... [snip!] ... it wasnt their idea. Partisan politics are smurfing up this country. Maybe they should work with the president to get smurf done!"


I'm sure there is something awful in that bill that they cant swallow. also, our president has shown no desire to work with the Rs.

How often did Obama say he was "laser-focused" on jobs? Ha!
Why did he take on Obamacare when 85% of americans said they were happy with their healthcare? Why did he ignore the business community telling him to NOT do Obamacare? The american people deserve so much more.
quotesmurfs?
I have 1 child & live in Pennsylvania
posted 7th Sep
<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" I'm sure there is something awful in that bill that they cant swallow. also, our president has shown ... [snip!] ... healthcare? Why did he ignore the business community telling him to NOT do Obamacare? The american people deserve so much more."</blockquote>



Yes, the bill was created by a democrat. They cant deal.
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I have 2 kids & live in Maine
posted 7th Sep
Quoting Amberchik78:" well, then maybe the republicans should pass the goddamn jobs act instead of trying to block everything to get their man in office. "

What about the 2 years that Obama had a majority and super majority? He could have passed whatever the hell he wanted. Who's to blame for that?
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I'm due December 22nd, have 3 kids & live in Oregon
posted 7th Sep
Quoting Amberchik78:" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" Hmmm. Maybe we should just vote in a new leader ... [snip!] ... it wasnt their idea. Partisan politics are smurfing up this country. Maybe they should work with the president to get smurf done!"

Did somebody in here say that Romneycare = good and Obamacare = bad?
quotesmurfs?
I'm due December 22nd, have 3 kids & live in Oregon
posted 7th Sep
Quoting Amberchik78:" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" I'm sure there is something awful in that bill ... [snip!] ... The american people deserve so much more."</blockquote> Yes, the bill was created by a democrat. They cant deal."

Hmm, looks like republicans aren't the only ones who disapprove of the smurffy jobs bills Obama tries to pass. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63456.html
quotesmurfs?
I'm due December 22nd, have 3 kids & live in Oregon
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