Religious freedom vs personal freedom

http://www.timesofisrael.com/german-court-prohibits-circumcisions/


German judges rule parents can be brought to court for circumcising children


When not performed out of medical necessity, circumcisions constitute a ‘severe and irreversible interference into physical integrity,’ Cologne judges rule.



An 8-day-old baby is prepared for his circumcision (illustrative photo Serge Attal
Parents having their sons circumcised can be brought before a judge for causing bodily injury, even if they did so for religious reasons, a regional court in Germany has ruled.
The recent landmark decision will likely draw the condemnation of Jewish and Muslim communities, although official representatives have refrained from commenting so far, saying they first want to study the reasons given for the judgment.
Following the judgment by the District Court of Cologne, neither the rights of parents nor the constitutional freedom of religion can justify interventions such as circumcision, according to Financial Times Deutschland, which first reported the story.
Jewish community officials in Cologne said they have yet to study the court decision but have already contacted the Central Council of Jews in Germany. “The Central Council will try immediately to receive a written version of the judgment. Only then will it be possible to comment,” a statement read. “We understand the disquiet and we noticed the numerous phone calls and emails of our community members. We will stay involved and keep you updated.”
University of Passau jurist Holm Putzke told the FTD the decision could have far-reaching ramifications.
“As opposed to many politicians, the court was not deterred by fears of being criticized for anti-Semitism or hostility toward religion,” he said. “This decision could not only influence future jurisdiction, it could also lead the relevant religions to change their attitude with respect to the fundamental nature of children’s rights.”
The case that prompted the ruling took place in Cologne, when a 4-year-old boy, circumcised by a Muslim doctor, began bleeding two days after the surgery and needed to be brought into the emergency room.
The state prosecutor’s office learned of the case and sued, leading the district court to rule that the circumcision was a “severe and irreversible interference into physical integrity.”
Today, there are about 200,000 Jews in Germany, about 5,000 of them in the western city of Cologne.
Legal experts told the paper they assume that other courts in Germany could deal with similar cases and that the question of religiously motivated circumcisions will end up in the country’s Supreme Court.

I posted about this in k&s earlier today. My first thought was abut BG when I read the article

Quoting Pregnant Hitler:" I posted about this in k&s earlier today. My first thought was abut BG when I read the article"

Oh I misses that sorry, I tend to skim K&S if I get too far behind lol. And yeah I tend to think of Bg when a lot of the hot topics come up lol

I imagine the backlash will be legendary, though.

Quoting Miracle Bessie:" Oh I misses that sorry, I tend to skim K&S if I get too far behind lol. And yeah I tend to think of Bg when a lot of the hot topics come up lol"

oh no it was a very short post. like a sentence. i don't catch up in there usually and even when i am online and using it i skim it lol!

I agree with it.

Good.

Quoting Proginoskes:" I imagine the backlash will be legendary, though."

Undoubtedly but it feels like a step in the right direction to me.

It's actually a little sad to me.

If feels like they're picking on the jews exclusively.

I mean...it's a step in the right direction.
But it's a JEWISH religious thing..and it's GERMANY doing the ruling. Yanno?


Other than that...make em illegal. It's better for the babies anyway.
I guess they could go back to doing it like in the bible.
With adults having it done instead of babies.

Quoting Satan:" It's actually a little sad to me. If feels like they're picking on the jews exclusively. I mean...it's ... [snip!] ... for the babies anyway. I guess they could go back to doing it like in the bible. With adults having it done instead of babies."

Muslims do it too not just Jews. and I don't think they are picking on them, I think they are recognising that it is an unfair practice hidden under the shroud of religion. Babies aren't religious their parents are, as such it is unfair for parents to make life long decisions like that, much the same as rulings are made about JWs denying blood transfusions for their kids and other religious parents denying medications for their children based on THEIR religious beliefs.

Quoting Satan:" It's actually a little sad to me. If feels like they're picking on the jews exclusively. I mean...it's ... [snip!] ... for the babies anyway. I guess they could go back to doing it like in the bible. With adults having it done instead of babies."

They single out religion because it was a religious choice that caused the boy to bleed out. The page linked is a jewish website, so it'll seem like they're picking on the jews.

Quoting Miracle Bessie:" Muslims do it too not just Jews. and I don't think they are picking on them, I think they are recognising ... [snip!] ... for their kids and other religious parents denying medications for their children based on THEIR religious beliefs."

I hope that's all it is. And like i said..maybe they'll go back to the practice of circing adults instead of babies.

Quoting Kayla [ ]♥:" They single out religion because it was a religious choice that caused the boy to bleed out. The page linked is a jewish website, so it'll seem like they're picking on the jews."

Yeah. I do agree that no one should have to die for their religion without it being a choice to do so.

Quoting Satan:" Yeah. I do agree that no one should have to die for their religion without it being a choice to do so."

Agreed!

Quoting Satan:" I hope that's all it is. And like i said..maybe they'll go back to the practice of circing adults instead of babies."

I would hope so, for me it would have more meaning then, if as an adult a male made that choice as part of his faith, it means more than a baby who had no say in the matter.