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German judges rule parents can be brought to court for circu

posted 26th Jun '12
http://www.timesofisrael.com/german-court-prohibits-circumcisions/


German judges rule parents can be brought to court for circumcising children



When not performed out of medical necessity, circumcisions constitute a ‘severe and irreversible interference into physical integrity,’ Cologne judges rule


Parents having their sons circumcised can be brought before a judge for causing bodily injury, even if they did so for religious reasons, a regional court in Germany has ruled.
The recent landmark decision will likely draw the condemnation of Jewish and Muslim communities, although official representatives have refrained from commenting so far, saying they first want to study the reasons given for the judgment.
Following the judgment by the District Court of Cologne, neither the rights of parents nor the constitutional freedom of religion can justify interventions such as circumcision, according to Financial Times Deutschland, which first reported the story.
Jewish community officials in Cologne said they have yet to study the court decision but have already contacted the Central Council of Jews in Germany. “The Central Council will try immediately to receive a written version of the judgment. Only then will it be possible to comment,” a statement read. “We understand the disquiet and we noticed the numerous phone calls and emails of our community members. We will stay involved and keep you updated.”
University of Passau jurist Holm Putzke told the FTD the decision could have far-reaching ramifications.
“As opposed to many politicians, the court was not deterred by fears of being criticized for anti-Semitism or hostility toward religion,” he said. “This decision could not only influence future jurisdiction, it could also lead the relevant religions to change their attitude with respect to the fundamental nature of children’s rights.”
The case that prompted the ruling took place in Cologne, when a 4-year-old boy, circumcised by a Muslim doctor, began bleeding two days after the surgery and needed to be brought into the emergency room.
The state prosecutor’s office learned of the case and sued, leading the district court to rule that the circumcision was a “severe and irreversible interference into physical integrity.”
Today, there are about 200,000 Jews in Germany, about 5,000 of them in the western city of Cologne.
Legal experts told the paper they assume that other courts in Germany could deal with similar cases and that the question of religiously motivated circumcisions will end up in the country’s Supreme Court.

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I have 2 kids & 2 angel babies & live in Heustreu, Germany
posted 26th Jun '12
I think it's just another case of the government trying to tell people what they can and can't do with their children. And the government shouldn't have any say in religious situations. I'm aware this is Germany not the states but my feelings are the same.
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I'm due October 22nd, have 1 child & 2 angel babies & live in North Richland Hills, Texas
posted 26th Jun '12
making note... so i can read responses later.
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posted 26th Jun '12
Hey, female circumcision is illegal (and I don't see anyone here smurfing arguing against that) so IMO, this has been a long time comin'.
quotesmurfs?
I have 3 kids & live in Memphis, Tennessee
posted 26th Jun '12
If it holds....I will be surprised.
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I have 3 kids & live in Illinois
posted 26th Jun '12
interesting.. watching..
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I have 3 kids & live in Zambia
posted 26th Jun '12
This is not surprising considering Europe has never been favorable towards it.
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I have 2 kids & 1 angel baby & live in Montego Bay, Jamaica
posted 26th Jun '12
I agree with it. FGM is illegal, so should circumcising little boys.
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I have 2 kids & live in Cold Lake, Alberta
posted 26th Jun '12
Quoting ♕ˇRedHauté!♕:" Hey, female circumcision is illegal (and I don't see anyone here smurfing arguing against that) so IMO, this has been a long time comin'."

OHHH, but "fgm is different than ric"  
quotesmurfs?
I have 2 kids & live in Cold Lake, Alberta
posted 26th Jun '12
 

I don't know much about Germany's government or freedoms so I can't say if they're usually tolerant or whatever but I think this is overstepping. What's getting me is how they're not allowing exemption for religious purposes.
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I live in Florida
posted 26th Jun '12
I didnt even read it all, but it just sounds really stupid.
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I have 2 kids & live in Michigan
posted 26th Jun '12
its rediculous......
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I have 2 kids & live in Waterbury, Connecticut
posted 26th Jun '12
It´s illegal here too, it´s considered child abuse.
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I have 1 child & live in Finland
posted 26th Jun '12
Quoting ♕ˇRedHauté!♕:" Hey, female circumcision is illegal (and I don't see anyone here smurfing arguing against that) so IMO, this has been a long time comin'."
Yeah that is what always gets me that double standard. It's not okay to take off the lips of baby girl but it's okay to take off the foreskin of a baby boy. Both are doing the exact same thing for the exact same reasons. They would need to either make girl circumcision legal, or make boy circumcision illegal.
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I have 2 kids & live in Dexter, Michigan
posted 26th Jun '12
they also want to get a ban for it in norway from what i just saw

http://circumstitionsnews.blogspot.de/2012/06/norway-ban-ritual-circumcision-of-boys.html
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I have 2 kids & 2 angel babies & live in Heustreu, Germany
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