Insanity plea.

So I live in a fairly small town. Last summer a man shot his ex girlfriend in the parking lot of southern states, killing her. He proceeded to empty one clip into her face, put in another, emptied that one into her face, put in a third and emptied half that one. After he was done, he just sat in his car, looked at someone who has just pulled into the parking lot unaware of what happened and said, you may want to leave, the cops should be coming, I just killed my girlfriend. He was apparently abusive because her family claimed she was scared of him and that's why they were meeting in a public place. His family, which he is a father of three, claims he was the nicest guy who couldn't hurt a fly. Well his trial is now surfacing and his lawyer us trying to use the insanity plea: the kicker, he served active duty in Iraq.

So should the plea hold even though he consciously knew what he has done. Or will his plea be shut down?


*fyi, I know many of you are or are married to service men, in no way am I down playing ppsd. I just want opinions

Umm... He knows what he did & should be punished as much as smurfing possible

Its ptsd.

And, if a board of medical professionals find him mentally ill, then sure.

<blockquote><b>Quoting i don't make vaginas.:</b>" Its ptsd. And, if a board of medical professionals find him mentally ill, then sure."</blockquote>




Sorry, I'm on my phone so it auto corrected it.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Remembering Cortnie:</b>" Umm... He knows what he did & should be punished as much as smurfing possible"</blockquote>




I feel the same. What got me was what he said to the bystander, and that he consciously reloaded the fun multiple times. idk, maybe someone out of their mind could do that, but it just made me think more of a crime of passion and revenge.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Brittany♥Gracelyn:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Remembering Cortnie:</b>" Umm... He knows what he did & should ... [snip!] ... times. idk, maybe someone out of their mind could do that, but it just made me think more of a crime of passion and revenge."</blockquote>




Right   What a smurfing psycho... Taking a life that easily... it's sad  

<blockquote><b>Quoting Remembering Cortnie:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Brittany♥Gracelyn:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ... [snip!] ... of passion and revenge."</blockquote> Right   What a smurfing psycho... Taking a life that easily... it's sad  "</blockquote>




It really is. I was at the doctor that day right up the street. I mean he shot at close range, but to think something like that happened publicly where any stray bullet could of harmed other people also.

My thoughts....to bad WV doesn't have the death penalty....

Quoting i don't make vaginas.:" Its ptsd. And, if a board of medical professionals find him mentally ill, then sure."

 

Pretty much this. I do think what he did was awful and sick, though.

Also... I can see the deployment being brought up. You train these people to kill and then just expect them to turn it off at the drop of a hat. And some people simply can't do that, for whatever reason. It's no excuse for what he did, not in the least, and I think he should be punished as the court sees fit. But it's something to take into consideration.

I'd want them to rule out ptsd and if he did it and KNEW what he was doing all along then go ahead and punish him.

Quoting Brittany♥Gracelyn:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Remembering Cortnie:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ... [snip!] ... where any stray bullet could of harmed other people also. My thoughts....to bad WV doesn't have the death penalty...."

I think that's a bit of an easy way out. Not to mention... Innocent people have been victims of the death penalty. It's better off gone.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Valor™:</b>" I think that's a bit of an easy way out. Not to mention... Innocent people have been victims of the death penalty. It's better off gone. "</blockquote>




That is true. But he is definitely guilty. It is an easy way out but I think it is fit for the manor he went about it.

And in response to your previous post, I totally agree with you about the being trained to kill and not be able to turn it off. But they are also trained to kill in self defense, and she wasn't posing a harm

Quoting Brittany♥Gracelyn:" So I live in a fairly small town. Last summer a man shot his ex girlfriend in the parking lot of southern ... [snip!] ... shut down? *fyi, I know many of you are or are married to service men, in no way am I down playing ppsd. I just want opinions"

PTSD claims are looked into really deep. I highly doubt his ass will get off. I hate that excuse... Especially with people fighting in the current wars. It is not hand to hand combat like with VC. I know tons of people see others get blown up, I just never can wrap my head around the whole current wave of PTSD ex military going around killing smurf.
That is such an awful story  .

Quoting Brittany♥Gracelyn:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Valor™:</b>" I think that's a bit of an easy way out. Not to ... [snip!] ... trained to kill and not be able to turn it off. But they are also trained to kill in self defense, and she wasn't posing a harm"

I'd rather someone spend the rest of their life in prison, rotting away, with their freedoms stripped. That, to me, seems like a better punishment. And I definitely agree he's guilty. No question there.

Not always in literal self defense. Snipers kill the enemy without actually being attacked. Either way, some people just end up not being able to handle the military and may very well take that training in a different way. It's sad. But it happens. It doesn't necessarily justify any horrible acts they may commit, however.

From what you said, it seems like his military experience had nothing to do with it, though. Buuut, I would argue that no sane person would just sit there at the scene of the crime after doing something so heinous. That just seems... Odd. Either way, I'm not a trained professional and any guesses on my part would just be speculation. It would be interesting to see how the case plays out.

<blockquote><b>Quoting Valor™:</b>" I'd rather someone spend the rest of their life in prison, rotting away, with their freedoms stripped. ... [snip!] ... professional and any guesses on my part would just be speculation. It would be interesting to see how the case plays out."</blockquote>




That's what got me too, I'm caught in the middle. The while I'm gonna sit her and wait to be arrested but still acknowledge what I've just done. There is so many angles in this

<blockquote><b>Quoting ♥ Olive Oyl:</b>" PTSD claims are looked into really deep. I highly doubt his ass will get off. I hate that excuse... ... [snip!] ... can wrap my head around the whole current wave of PTSD ex military going around killing smurf. That is such an awful story  ."</blockquote>




I agree that excuse seems to be way over used lately.

This is probably the worst thing that's ever happened here. The only other really big thing was a couple towns over a man took his ex hostage in her own home with her teen daughter present. The girl managed to escape out a window and called police. He held the other hostage for like 36 hours and then stabbed her to death and cut out her heart. He too tried the insanity plea even went around prison bragging he took a bite of her heart to always have a piece of her. Thankfully it didn't hold and was sentence to life in prison without parole. The woman was my dental hygienist and I went to school with her daughter