Saw the new P3's today and disappointed. need help choosing

I saw the P3 in the Verde fabric, the orange one, and the black. I liked the fabrics, that's not the issue.

Things I didn't like though
1) no adjustable height harness
2) the way the harness is only attached to the stroller with a small clip, seems like it could slip out easily. Not that this is too much of a safety issue but a huge pain
3) double wheels in back too close together
4) access to basket not great
5) adjustable handle height still not that tall
6) folding requires too many steps
7) carry handle not that comfortable compared to an over the shoulder style carry handle

so, this kind of eliminates the P3 from my consideration. I am now considering the 3 main zooper strollers- Hula, Waltz and Bolero. I might reconsider the Mac Techno XLW despite the infant car seat attachment bar needing to come off before stroller can be folded. I want this stroller to serve as my main mall type stroller. I'm planning on buying a Valco Baby Trimode for long walks and outdoor use.

can someone please please help me decide. Are their other strollers I should be looking at? We have no Zoopers near us so I can't even look at one until March when we travel to Chicago.

Help!!

"2) the way the harness is only attached to the stroller with a small clip, seems like it could slip out easily. Not that this is too much of a safety issue but a huge pain"


Thought I would mention that the harness is not really supposed to stay in the loop. It is only to fit in the loop while you are putting the harness on, then you are supposed to take the clip out of the loop. This is Peg's floating harness. It's still a 5 point restraint but allows the child more freedom of movement.

BTW, The Zooper Waltz is a great stroller also. It is definitely a two handed fold though (if that really bothered you about the P3) and the handles are not adjustable. I believe the handles are about 40 inches tall, which is shorter than the P3's handles extended. I don't know much about the Bolero since it is new. I believe though, that it is also a single handled stroller so it has the book-fold. I think it may have the height-adjustable handles though.

I have heard good things about the Hula. It does fold more compactly than the P3, but the hood is much smaller and it doesn't have a child snack tray, if that matters to you. It comes with a plush sleeping bag, rain and sun shields.

IMO, I don't think the Mac Techno XLR would make a good mall stroller since it is so tippy. With the P3, the basket is a bit bigger and you can load up the handles with bags and it won't tip.

I 'test drove' the Peg Pliko P3, the Peg UNO, the Zooper Waltz, and the Zooper Bolero this morning. All appear to be in the same ballpark price range (within $150 or so of each other) and of comparable quality/rating.

PLIKO VS. BOLERO
The Bolero is new and I'm having trouble finding reviews about it. It folds up 'umbrella style' - ie. it squishes in rather than folding in half, and seems to be more compact than the half-folding ones. It's quite inexpensive (relatively speaking), and is supposed to be the competitor for the Pliko.

Things I noticed:
- The Bolero seems lighter and the folding is definitely easier. The frame is aluminum, which looks nice.
- The back of the seat (headrest area) of the Pliko is substantially taller, which I think could support a tall child longer.
- The padding on the sides of the Pliko was thicker and 'deeper', which I expect would be good for a napping toddler resting their head on the side.
- The Pliko has substantially better shock absorption - in direct comparison it's quite noticeable.
- The Pliko has steps for a toddler to hang on the back. Convenient? I don't know, not having one...
- The Bolero comes with a 'boot' to keep baby's feet warm; Pliko doesn't have the option.
- The Bolero has one handle which folds in the middle, the Pliko has two separate handles.
- The basket for the Pliko appears to be bigger, but it's mesh. I live in a place with a lot of rain, so perhaps a full-fabric basket would provide more splash-protection? Not sure.
- The wheels of the Pliko are larger in diameter. I'm not sure exactly how this would affect its performance, but I'd guess (and this is ONLY a guess) that the ride would be smoother, pushing would be easier, and lifespan would be longer.
- The Pliko has been around for years and received overall very high reviews on various websites. It seems to have a generally good reputation for durability, ease of driving, and overall satisfaction. The Bolero is new, so although it may have this reputation in a few years, you're kind of walking into the unknown.

THE UNO
- As with the Bolero, the Peg UNO is so new I haven't been able to find any reviews. It was my favourite when I first saw it.
- It's a little bigger and heavier than the Pliko, but only marginally so. The UNO has bigger back wheels, and I think it looks really sharp.
- The handle can be flipped around so you can face junior while walking - but if you do that then the turning wheels are in the back, which makes steering a bit more difficult.
- It comes with a boot that has a sneaky folding mechanism right under the footrest. This is very convenient, because you don't have a separate piece to store/lose/find etc.
- When I first saw it I fell in love, but today I saw it in a different colour and it seemed REALLY plasticky.
- The 'mod' colours scheme says 'MOD' right across the front, but the D in mod is really rounded so it looks like it says 'MOO'. Would that be endearing or annoying?
- All in all, is it worth the extra cost? I dunno, but would be glad to hear someone else's take on it.

THE WALTZ
- The Waltz seems to have had different names and iterations, but overall receives very good reviews. People seem to be very happy with it when they buy it.
- The Waltz folds in half down (ie. it flattens and becomes shorter, but keeps its width). The folding was fairly easy, and I'm new at this stroller thing, so if I can do it, anyone can.
- Its frame is aluminum, which looks nice.

GENERAL OBSERVATIONS AND SUMMARY
- Both Pegs come with removable infant trays in the front, instead of just a bar, which I think is a real plus.
- When folded, both Pegs have carrying handles on the side; neither Zooper did. Not a big deal, but I did practice carrying all four, and the handles were convenient.
- All of these strollers can fit various car seats with various straps and adaptors.
- Also, all of these strollers are in the 17 - 20 lb range, although every website I go to or salesperson I talk to quotes a different weight for each of them. Suffice to say they're pretty close.
- Personally, I prefer the colour schemes of the Zoopers, but Peg's colours wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me.

Overall my feeling is that any of these strollers would be a good purchase. In fact, once I make up my mind - if I ever do - I'm sure that I'll bring the stroller home and forget about all the other ones.

For what it's worth, the front runner for me right now - and I'm open to being convinced otherwise - is the Pliko P3.
In terms of value, features, quality, history, and reviews relative to price, I think that it offers the most for my money.

P3 is a great mall stroller.
Ours is 3.5 years old and has been used a lot. It has seen many airports and day trips to Disneyland and it keeps going.

I use it with 2 kids in tow. 1 Sits in front the other on the board on the back.
The 5 point freedom harness is great. They can move around without getting out and it is adjustable.

As baby gets into toddler stage the removable snack tray makes it so much easier to get in and out of, or you can just take it off. My 3 year old could take a nap and his head doesn't hit the top of the hood at 39 inches tall. Hood is nice and big and can be unzipped to adjust to angle of the sun.

Foot rest can be raised almost to create a bassinet.

Fabric last and washes well.

If you notice you are kicking the back wheels I just raise the handles. My husband is 6 foot and he doesn't complain about the handle height.

I don't use the basket too much. Instead I use the loop on the handles to attach a diaper bag. I have attached large clips that allow me to put shopping bags there also.

P3 stands up when folded which is great if you don't have a lot of space.

Good luck.